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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 30
      Replying to @annaellis_net

      Could you suggest a far-right view which does have theoretical, ideological depth and complexity?

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    2. Non-Toxic Avenger 🗽 🍕‏ @Bugs_Meany Mar 30
      Replying to @HPluckrose @annaellis_net

      Do things like "support for 2nd amendment" or "opposition to (unregulated) abortion" qualify as "Far Right"? They don't in the US (at least i don't think so), but i suspect they might be seen that way in UK.pic.twitter.com/Krz1MzYFhA

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    3. Anna Ellis‏ @annaellis_net Mar 30
      Replying to @Bugs_Meany @HPluckrose

      This is *exactly* why I'm not prepared to debate this topic until we have an agreed definition of the term. Social conservatism is not, to my mind, "far-right" per se. Neither is fiscal conservatism.

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    4. Mister Q  🌀‏ @realMisterQ Mar 30
      Replying to @annaellis_net @Bugs_Meany @HPluckrose

      It also depends on the merit of the case itself - as, for example, gun control in the USA is something totally different than gun control for instance in Germany. There is a reality behind the debate that has totally different starting points in different countries.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 30
      Replying to @realMisterQ @annaellis_net @Bugs_Meany

      Yes, this is a huge issue. If I could snap my fingers and make all America's guns disappear and then it would have same norms and presence of guns as UK, I would. That can't happen coz of the guns already there and the long history of them being a right and much tied into this.

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    6. Mister Q  🌀‏ @realMisterQ Mar 30
      Replying to @HPluckrose @annaellis_net @Bugs_Meany

      This also means the political viewpoint would change on it if we wanted to talk about it as a "far-right" view. - I think the label of far-right is applied much too wide. Far-right & far-left (both in extremes) want the same things, just with different justifications... (imo)

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 30
      Replying to @realMisterQ @annaellis_net @Bugs_Meany

      I don't think it counts as a far-right view.

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    8. Mister Q  🌀‏ @realMisterQ Mar 30
      Replying to @HPluckrose @annaellis_net @Bugs_Meany

      And that depends on the definition of "far-right" (to go full circle here) - Just saw today a flyer that was in a school, that argues the GOP is essentially the same as Nazis in Germany in 1939. With a comparison of (Strawmen-) viewpoints...

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 30
      Replying to @realMisterQ @annaellis_net @Bugs_Meany

      Yes, we all know that 'far-right' can be used wrongly - not to describe extremist fringes. I'd still like to talk about the most extreme rightwing views tho & am currently saying that they are giving me less to get my teeth into than extreme leftwing views.

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    10. Mister Q  🌀‏ @realMisterQ Mar 30
      Replying to @HPluckrose @annaellis_net @Bugs_Meany

      Really? - Can you give me one or two examples? I find both extremes very easy to dismantle with science... - both try to ignore science. I do admit that right wing just dismisses science and left wing try to circumvent it with word games, but in the end, denial is denial...

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 30
      Replying to @realMisterQ @annaellis_net @Bugs_Meany

      Huh? We seem to be at cross-purposes here. Yes, they both deny science. My examples will be of theories which do that which I can get my teeth into. I think you think I am arguing something I am not.

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 30
          Replying to @HPluckrose @realMisterQ and

          I am currently studying a great body of scholarship around feminist epistemology which includes distinct concepts of epistemic injustice, epistemic oppression, epistemic exploitation, epistemic violence, privilege-preserving epistemic pushback, reason/emotion divide, situatedness

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 30
          Replying to @HPluckrose @realMisterQ and

          It's all a big fascinating complicated mess all building on itself which I can dig right into and take apart and uncover the sources of and refine down the core assumptions and show why they don't work. And I can show how this manifests in society and ideas of 'stay in your lane'

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 30
          Replying to @HPluckrose @realMisterQ and

          I am not getting any of this from the far-right. There's no scholarship being produced now that I can find and in conversation, I usually just hear assertions about racial superiority and conspiracy theories and the death of western civilisation which I can't probe too far into.

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        5. Anna Ellis‏ @annaellis_net Mar 30
          Replying to @HPluckrose @realMisterQ @Bugs_Meany

          Regarding populism, I would definitely agree with you; the literature I'm aware of is predominantly of a liberal bent. Regarding the "death of Western civilisation"/"Western cultural values", it's certainly taken as a dogwhistle by the far left.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 30
          Replying to @annaellis_net @realMisterQ @Bugs_Meany

          It was right-wing populism I was criticised for not criticising enough. I was asked to justify why I don't criticise the far-right, Trump & rightwing populism but focus almost exclusively on problems on the left. The answer is that it's more interesting. That is all.

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        2. Mister Q  🌀‏ @realMisterQ Mar 30
          Replying to @HPluckrose @annaellis_net @Bugs_Meany

          no no, no argument - just thought you give examples of things like far-right & far-left viewpoints, nothing more :)

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 30
          Replying to @realMisterQ @annaellis_net @Bugs_Meany

          OK, well, them both being dismantlable by science says nothing about whether or not I am finding more ideological and theoretical depth to study on the left than I am on the right which is my reason for focusing more on the left than the right.

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