I'm finding this conversation interesting, on a number of levels. I'd need a detailed definition of "far-right views" before I could join in a dialogue of whether it's "blindingly obvious" that they are wrong/don't have any substance.https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/979764760009994241 …
Yes, this is a huge issue. If I could snap my fingers and make all America's guns disappear and then it would have same norms and presence of guns as UK, I would. That can't happen coz of the guns already there and the long history of them being a right and much tied into this.
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This also means the political viewpoint would change on it if we wanted to talk about it as a "far-right" view. - I think the label of far-right is applied much too wide. Far-right & far-left (both in extremes) want the same things, just with different justifications... (imo)
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I don't think it counts as a far-right view.
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And that depends on the definition of "far-right" (to go full circle here) - Just saw today a flyer that was in a school, that argues the GOP is essentially the same as Nazis in Germany in 1939. With a comparison of (Strawmen-) viewpoints...
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Yes, we all know that 'far-right' can be used wrongly - not to describe extremist fringes. I'd still like to talk about the most extreme rightwing views tho & am currently saying that they are giving me less to get my teeth into than extreme leftwing views.
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Really? - Can you give me one or two examples? I find both extremes very easy to dismantle with science... - both try to ignore science. I do admit that right wing just dismisses science and left wing try to circumvent it with word games, but in the end, denial is denial...
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Huh? We seem to be at cross-purposes here. Yes, they both deny science. My examples will be of theories which do that which I can get my teeth into. I think you think I am arguing something I am not.
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I am currently studying a great body of scholarship around feminist epistemology which includes distinct concepts of epistemic injustice, epistemic oppression, epistemic exploitation, epistemic violence, privilege-preserving epistemic pushback, reason/emotion divide, situatedness
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It's all a big fascinating complicated mess all building on itself which I can dig right into and take apart and uncover the sources of and refine down the core assumptions and show why they don't work. And I can show how this manifests in society and ideas of 'stay in your lane'
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Removing guns from the American people, even if over 80% of the people would support it, would end in bloodshed that would be a lot higher then 100 years of gun deaths. - that is a reality we have to put into context in the debate. I would be pro-gun in the USA and I'm anti in DE
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It would also feed into all sorts of cultural narratives. A gun is not just a weapon. It has associations of freedom & resistance to tyranny, right and left, north and south. The political ramifications would be huge and go on for a long time.
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Exactly - sadly I never see somebody even thinking that out loud or just acknowledging that - neither on the right or the left. The point of both sides can't be to go to civil war! So any energy people invest in "repealing the 2nd amendment" is in my opinion totally wasted...
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Improvement on this will have to be incremental.
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