I'm finding this conversation interesting, on a number of levels. I'd need a detailed definition of "far-right views" before I could join in a dialogue of whether it's "blindingly obvious" that they are wrong/don't have any substance.https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/979764760009994241 …
Could you suggest a far-right view which does have theoretical, ideological depth and complexity?
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Like I said, we need to ensure we're both talking about the same thing when we refer to far-right. For example, elements of classical fascism overlap with element of socialism. I'm interested in a moral framework approach as well as a sociopolitical historical approach.
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How would you define far-right? Academic references are fine, I've got access to the university's online library.
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I don't think we'll find a single academic source which defines the far right tho many which look at aspects of it from Nazism, to KKK, to ethnonationalism, to antisemitic conspiracy theories to religious fundamentalism to extreme libertarians who want to make war on government.
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My issue is this: anti-semitism is prevalent across a linear political spectrum, tending to coagulate around the extremist fringes of both Left and Right. Ditto ethnonationalism (http://m4bl.org , SA political parties, etc.) Ditto AnCap/AnSoc. Horseshoe theory ftw.
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See. Now we can't have a conversation about extremism because we've got bogged down. In reality, we all know extreme versions of leftism and rightism exist and are known as far-left and far-right and can point to examples of it.
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I'd suggest we *can* have a conversation about extremism. It's arguable that shoehorning the subject into a linear analogy no longer works as our understanding of the political spectrum is now more akin to that of a radar chart.
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Assuming the radar chart approach, we could define key ideological points and then measure/assess ideologies in a a multivariate approach.
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We could certainly write an essay defining extremism, yes, but for the purpose of the context of this Twitter conversation, we have got stuck. I'm left back where I was which is saying that far-left extremists are citing current scholarship I can get my teeth into, not far-right
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That of Ezra Pound? Or any number of modernist intellectuals who flirted with far right politics?
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Oh? Have you encountered this? I haven't heard any of them from any far-rightists. We reach an impasse immediately and there is nothing of substance being offered like there is on the far-left..
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There certainly was in the early twentieth century. Try Eliot, Knut Hamsun, Gabriel d’Annunzio, Gottfried Benn and others.
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No, I realise that far-right scholarly views exist. My point is very much about current political debates right now and why I don't spend as much time combattng far-right views & Trumpism & populism. They're not calling on anything I can get teeth into.
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Personally I'm wary of conflating Trumpism, populism and the "far-right". For many, a vote for Trump was a vote against Clinton and/or "the establishment".
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Don;t conflate them, then. I think they are distinct. To say that I am not getting anything of interest from them is not to say they are the same thing.
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Do things like "support for 2nd amendment" or "opposition to (unregulated) abortion" qualify as "Far Right"? They don't in the US (at least i don't think so), but i suspect they might be seen that way in UK.pic.twitter.com/Krz1MzYFhA
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This is *exactly* why I'm not prepared to debate this topic until we have an agreed definition of the term. Social conservatism is not, to my mind, "far-right" per se. Neither is fiscal conservatism.
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No, they are standard right.
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Not one that’s good for all time zones, no. And I’ve got a degree in this shit.
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