Then I'm not criticising what you call faith. I am criticising commitment to a position without evidence. When faith is used synonymously with confidence or trust in something, it is a completely different thing. There are good and bad reasons to have trust in things.https://twitter.com/gm_palmer/status/979334798249402368 …
In religion, faith is explicitly a virtue and overcoming doubt and standing firm in your faith despite evidence against it is especially virtuous. We also get this virtuous feeling when we stand by things that are meaningful to us despite lack of evidence or evidence to contrary
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For me, this has mostly been people. I have stood by them and continued believing in them despite evidence that I shouldn't because they were important to me. Also, feminism. It took me a long time to accept the abundant evidence that it had gone off the rails.
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This wasn't simply being mistaken. I was morally motivated to believe against the evidence and felt that I was being a good and loyal person for doing so. 'I have faith in you no matter what anyone says.'
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"overcoming doubt and standing firm in your faith despite evidence against it is especially virtuous." Only in really shitty religion.
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Not sure how you define that. It was a large part of my religious teaching as a Christian. Augustine and Luther but also my spiritual advisers said that it was normal to feel doubt but resist it and pray. God wants you to be faithful above everything.
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Augustine reveled in doubt. Luther, well he hated the book of James and sold out faith for power so boo on him. We should constantly examine faith of all kinds. Anyone who says otherwise is malignant. But since our default mode is petty selfishness it's not surprising
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Does God not care if we don't believe in him? Is faith not a virtue? Is (faith in) Christ not the only way to heaven?
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(if we're wading into my views of Christian theology then): 1: I would assume God would rather us acknowledge God's existence than not but it's pretty clear (as said by Jesus and Paul) that the important thing is to behave in a Christ-like fashion (i.e. serve others selflessly)
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Ah, Catholicism.
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Maybe? But Catholicism puts a lot of onus on external trappings and "magic" that's pretty (?) but unnecessary.
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(if I can abuse onus that way)
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