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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 29

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Noone Special

    Within religion, faith is a virtue. Something you really believe and which guides your life. That you'll try to overcome doubt for with prayer. It's not just accepting a commonly held truth provisionally & expecting some of it to change.https://twitter.com/KantBreal/status/979334684965588992 …

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    Noone Special @KantBreal
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    Why can't the same be said for religious faith? Am confused by the distinction?
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      2. Jeremy Spradlin‏ @jkspradlin Mar 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        As a former atheist who’s been learning more about “faith” I don’t know if that’s an accurate portrayal of religious faith. I’ve been learning that what I thought religious people meant from an atheist perspective was very wrong in many ways.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 29
        Replying to @jkspradlin

        I think it is. Religious people vary, obviously, but faith is a real thing. Its an epistemology and a way of being in the world. I was deeply religious for a long time and religion is also my area of study.

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      4. Jeremy Spradlin‏ @jkspradlin Mar 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        For sure, even as I’ve gained? Faith I think much of fundamentalism gets a lot of things wrong, I should have better clarified that. Been reading about orthodox and older aspects and it seemed that until recently Christianity was more symbolic than literal in its interpretations.

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      5. Jeremy Spradlin‏ @jkspradlin Mar 29
        Replying to @jkspradlin @HPluckrose

        Was something that really surprised and intrigued me. Like, what if there’s something legit to our religious systems, but we’ve just been doing it wrong because we mistakenly think the purpose of religion was supplanted with the advent of science?

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 29
        Replying to @jkspradlin

        It doesn't even have to be religion. Faith-based epistemologies vs evidence-based ones.

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      7. Jeremy Spradlin‏ @jkspradlin Mar 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think its more complicated than that, though. I think many with religious faith would argue that their beliefs are evidence based. Further, evidence based epistemologies can tell you what something 'is' but not what to do about it.

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 29
        Replying to @jkspradlin

        But they'd be wrong. Yes. Truth claims and moral claims are difference to a certain extent tho it all reduces to facts in the end. Not relevant to epistemology tho.

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      9. Jeremy Spradlin‏ @jkspradlin Mar 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think it would depend on the claim and the evidence. Its not relevant to epistemology, no, but it IS relevant to religion. That's my point. I think assuming that the purpose of religion is to teach us about the world and its history is incorrect.

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      1. Richard Heathfield  🇬🇧‏ @rjheathfield Mar 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Helen, that doesn't reflect my view of faith even a little bit. But this is a terrible, terrible medium in which to discuss anything that's - uh, what's the mot du jour? Ah! Anything that's "nuanced". The prospect of cramming an entire theology into 280 characters is just... no.

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      1. Mysturji #FBPE‏ @Mysturji Mar 29
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        Religion: A bunch if people sitting in a dark room saying it’s a warm, sunny day outside and telling each other they’re right. Anyone who disagrees is thrown out into the cold, dark night.

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      1. Steve Mundie‏ @SteveMundie Mar 29
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        Faith is a virtue, but it’s more than ‘belief’, it’s a mode or way of being in the world, and while dogmas play a key role, merely holding that certain ideas in ones’s head are true, like the Resurrection or the scientific method, doesn’t make one a Christian or a scientist.

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      2. Noone Special‏ @KantBreal Mar 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        As a baseline, yes. But all of Western Civ. is/was etched out of Faithful Christians & Jews (few centuries, Muslims) cutting through "Orthodoxy" to understand the how, not just faithful why? In science faith is a virtue as well. "Standing on the shoulders of Giants..." and all

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      3. Noone Special‏ @KantBreal Mar 29
        Replying to @KantBreal @HPluckrose

        We have to have faith that this premise or that, is correct, to move forward with our forwarding of knowledge.

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