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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. PragmaticLibertarian‏ @parallel235 Mar 28

      PragmaticLibertarian Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

      ”Universal Liberal” is confusing. I call myself a Pragmatic Libertarian and seem to have the same positions that you do.https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/978951887662837761 …

      PragmaticLibertarian added,

      Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
      I'm a universal liberal. Therefore I believe strongly in individuality, support a melded economy and prefer a balanced approach to gender equality over feminism. https://twitter.com/RStomel/status/978949572935462913 …
      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 28
      Replying to @parallel235

      I think pragmatic libertarian is even more confusing. Two meanings of both 'pragmatic' and 'libertarian.'

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    3. PragmaticLibertarian‏ @parallel235 Mar 28
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Frantically looking up dictionary...

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    4. PragmaticLibertarian‏ @parallel235 Mar 28
      Replying to @parallel235 @HPluckrose

      I’m using ”pragmatic” in the common, meaning -(”practical”) but also other meanings: ”treating historical phenomena with special reference to their causes, antecedent conditions, and results” and ”of or relating to the affairs of state or community”. (http://dictionary.com )

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 28
      Replying to @parallel235

      In epistemology, it refers to believing something is true because it is useful to the cause.

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    6. PragmaticLibertarian‏ @parallel235 Mar 28
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I am personally pragmatic in that sense: I believe my wife is the most beautiful woman in the world. Is pragmatism really as ghastly as you make it sound? The dictionary says ”stressing practical consequences in determining meaning, truth or value” which seems okay.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 28
      Replying to @parallel235

      No, not really. This is closely connected to confirmation bias and includes such things as insisting wage gaps exist in order to achieve goals of privileging women in employment. Very common in politics too.

      6:18 AM - 28 Mar 2018
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        2. PragmaticLibertarian‏ @parallel235 Mar 28
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Is that pragmatism? To me, that sounds like lying for political purposes. I guess I’ll have to avoid any epistemologists finding out about me, or they might be deceived. I mean, I’m prepared to shade the truth in the cause of freedom, but not be outright dishonest.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 28
          Replying to @parallel235

          It's not dishonest in their terms because what is true is what works to achieve their goal. @Intrinsic29 explains this better than me.

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        4. PragmaticLibertarian‏ @parallel235 Mar 28
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29

          I feel you are taking an epistemological concept and applying it in a political/ethical context.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 28
          Replying to @parallel235 @Intrinsic29

          I am simply pointing out misunderstanding I have experienced because of the two meanings both prevalent in current conversations. I completely accept the validity of your use of it and use it in the same way myself.

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        6. PragmaticLibertarian‏ @parallel235 Mar 28
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29

          I’ve certainly learned from your comments. So how does “universal liberal” work as a description?

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 28
          Replying to @parallel235 @Intrinsic29

          Traditional liberalism which treats everyone as an individual with the same right to access everything rather than dividing people into identity groups.

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        8. PragmaticLibertarian‏ @parallel235 Mar 28
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29

          That is how I would understand classical liberalism. Unfortunately, as we both know, the term ”liberal” in common parlance means almost the exact opposite, being both collectivist and based around identity groups (along with being antithetical to freedom) :-(

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