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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Lotak‏ @LotakX Mar 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose @TamaraBrouwer1 and

      Apologies, I had typed the tweet before I looked at the article fully. Not "allegedly". They actually did it. And people call James Damore a sexist for saying that not as many women find these subjects interesting!

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    2. Lotak‏ @LotakX Mar 26
      Replying to @LotakX @HPluckrose and

      I say some extremely quesitonable things to my female colleagues at work (joke of course). "that's a woman's job" "never trust a woman to do ..." "bitches be bitches" But I'd NEVER suggest that women are actually inferior in that way. What kind of message does that send?!

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 26
      Replying to @LotakX @TamaraBrouwer1 and

      Depends whether or not it is true. There were plenty of complaints that girls grades overtook boys as a result of courses becoming more coursework-based than exam-based. I don't know if studies have been done on gender differences in these regards. Not really about inferior.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose @LotakX and

      If, for example, girls had an advantage in coursework because more conscientious on average and boys in exams coz work better under pressure on average, this wouldn't tell us anything about either's maths ability but much about ideal working processes.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 Mar 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose @LotakX and

      Yet this would mean boys and girls excelled at different aspects of the programme. Which is fine. But does standards should be shifted?

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 26
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @LotakX and

      As long as they are shifted for everyone, I see no problem with this. All got longer in the exam? No unfair advantage. The only reason not to do this would be if jobs required people to do maths under great time pressure without ability to check work.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose @TamaraBrouwer1 and

      If so, then it would be essential for people to demonstrate they could do that by doing well in exams. If the job allows for doing maths without pressure and whilst being able to consult sources if necessary, no need to have high pressure exams to test ability.

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose @TamaraBrouwer1 and

      I'm against fitness and strength levels being lowered in the military to accommodate women when a certain level of fitness and strength is required to do the job, obviously. There's a reason for ensuring people perform consistently well on those tests.

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    9. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 Mar 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose @LotakX and

      I agree on this. Because of the ramifications of lowering them. I also agree we can accommodate for different strengths men and women have. Planning, pressure etc are part of this as well.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 26
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @LotakX and

      Yes. It would be a shame to lose highly able female mathematicians because exams revealed more about their ability to cope with pressure than their ability to do maths.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose @TamaraBrouwer1 and

      I don't know if that is the case tho and I also suspect that this is something that could be overcome by taking a lot of exams. I say this as someone who has recently rapidly gone from stuttery state of panic to relaxed and much more articulate public speaking due to practice.

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        1. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 Mar 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose @LotakX and

          This is why I prefer my suggestion. But we'll see. Maybe it isn't pressure. Maybe it is. If it is, I'd advocate working on this when aspiring for jobs that require this skill.

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