Why don't you think the usage of the concepts are more nuanced than these strict binaries? Again, I've pointed you to literature that employs idpol and intersectionality in liberal ways. And they aren't just making up wholly new definitions. That's the argument of a sectarian!
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Replying to @corymassimino
There will always be nuance to be found in individuals. I argue against sets of ideas and set out why. What do you suggest I do? Stop saying 'intersectionality' because of people who use it but are actually advocating universal liberalism?
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Replying to @HPluckrose
No, merely acknowledge that you don't have to be promoting one or the other and that some sets of ideas try to reconcile them.
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Replying to @corymassimino
But I am promoting universal liberalism. All the way. If this is what you mean by 'sectarian', I am one.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
What? No. I, too, endorse universal liberalism. I'm saying it doesn't help promote universal liberalism to be definitional sectarians. To define people who use idpol and intersectionality out of universal liberalism by definition.
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Replying to @corymassimino
They define themselves out of it! They are in opposition to it! We can find common ground on other things and share an aim of gender/racial/LGBT equality but you can't favour both universalism and identity politics.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
They only define themselves out of it according to your definitions! So that doesn't mean much. What is your explanation for those who do explicitly reconcile universal liberalism and idpol, like the article I linked before? Are they just conceptually confused?
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Replying to @corymassimino
I didn't define the terms! I just reread the article. It thinks BLM is a good approach despite much evidence of it increasing racial tensions and being highly unethical. Yes, people who think you can reconcile universality with identity politics are conceptually confused.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @corymassimino
Identity politics is the opposite to universal liberalism. This is explicit. The former wants to make identity paramount and the latter wants to make it irrelevant tho both seek to end injustice.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
More accurate to say idpol thinks identity is made paramount by social institutions and this should be reversed.
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Both are accurate. You do you. I'm going to do me.
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