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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 26

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Cory

      Yes. I go after the extremists whilst explicitly supporting or finding common ground with people who may use these terms but mean them in a way consistent with universal liberalism. I may still argue with them a bit tho where we differ.https://twitter.com/corymassimino/status/978309075099320322 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Cory @corymassimino
      Replying to @HPluckrose
      Better way of phrasing my view: seems as if you only go after particularly odious or extreme applications of "identity politics" or "intersectionality" when plenty of the sorts of things I linked to you exist and so muddy the conceptual waters.
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    2. Cory‏ @corymassimino Mar 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      But if you go after "extremists" while using terms widely employed and varied, that muddies the waters. Reverse problem of calling all right-wingers nazis (using actual extreme/despicable view to refer to many). Both strategies end up diminishing who's in the liberal camp.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 26
      Replying to @corymassimino

      I have written long essays defining my terms and objections. I oppose intersectionality based on it's defining features. I oppose identity politics where it opposes universal liberalism.

      9:45 AM - 26 Mar 2018
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        2. Cory‏ @corymassimino Mar 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          This is what definitional sectarians say and it's just a bad strategy for liberals to take. We agree more than we disagree, though.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 26
          Replying to @corymassimino

          I do need words to criticise the value systems and epistemologies I need to criticise. If other people are using 'intersectional' in a completely different way to what Crenshaw meant, I can't stop using it the right way to placate them. I need to talk about it.

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        4. Cory‏ @corymassimino Mar 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Why don't you think the usage of the concepts are more nuanced than these strict binaries? Again, I've pointed you to literature that employs idpol and intersectionality in liberal ways. And they aren't just making up wholly new definitions. That's the argument of a sectarian!

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 26
          Replying to @corymassimino

          There will always be nuance to be found in individuals. I argue against sets of ideas and set out why. What do you suggest I do? Stop saying 'intersectionality' because of people who use it but are actually advocating universal liberalism?

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        6. Cory‏ @corymassimino Mar 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          No, merely acknowledge that you don't have to be promoting one or the other and that some sets of ideas try to reconcile them.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 26
          Replying to @corymassimino

          But I am promoting universal liberalism. All the way. If this is what you mean by 'sectarian', I am one.

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        8. Cory‏ @corymassimino Mar 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          What? No. I, too, endorse universal liberalism. I'm saying it doesn't help promote universal liberalism to be definitional sectarians. To define people who use idpol and intersectionality out of universal liberalism by definition.

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 26
          Replying to @corymassimino

          They define themselves out of it! They are in opposition to it! We can find common ground on other things and share an aim of gender/racial/LGBT equality but you can't favour both universalism and identity politics.

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