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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 26

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Cory

    I am saying what I mean by it. What I am criticising. I cited Crenshaw. If you use 'identity politics' to mean 'standing up for universal human rights for all demographics' we do not disagree and have nothing to argue about.https://twitter.com/corymassimino/status/978299303855783937 …

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    Cory @corymassimino
    Replying to @HPluckrose
    You're just grandstanding over definitional games. Stop asserting what others mean by "identity politics" and engage them!
    8:58 AM - 26 Mar 2018
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      2. Cory‏ @corymassimino Mar 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        No, you reply to any disagreement by asserting a single definition of "identity politics" and dismissing someone as illiberal. You go after low-hanging fruit instead of steel-manning the opposition so criticisms ring hollow for ppl who might disagree and increases polarization.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 26
        Replying to @corymassimino

        Is it possible that I am only opposed to what you see as 'low hanging fruit' - extremists - and am not actually in opposition to moderate ideas? Tell me what good arguments you think I disagree with. Then I can tell you if I do and why I do.

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      4. Cory‏ @corymassimino Mar 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Very possible! That's why I don't understand why you try to label all low hanging fruit as identity politics, even though there are many instances of self-identified identity politics that wouldn't qualify (like the link I sent you).

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      5. Cory‏ @corymassimino Mar 26
        Replying to @corymassimino @HPluckrose

        Same tactic as ppl who decry all those who disagree with them as nazis or fascists. When you push them, they often only commit to disagreeing with obviously objectionable views, but then go back to clumping all of it together as whatever outgroup they wanna signal against.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 26
        Replying to @corymassimino

        You'll have to be very specific. What ideas do you think I disagree with actually have merit? What am I lumping with intersectional identity politics which shouldn't be? I openly support Gay Pride, genuinely liberal feminists, anti-racists.

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      7. Cory‏ @corymassimino Mar 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Better way of phrasing my view: seems as if you only go after particularly odious or extreme applications of "identity politics" or "intersectionality" when plenty of the sorts of things I linked to you exist and so muddy the conceptual waters.

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      1. Culpability Jones‏ @ShineboxHukster Mar 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Traditional semantics is confusing enough. Can you imagine where language (especially legal constitutional) will be when intersectional theory is embraced institutionally?

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