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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted A. Jay Adler

    OK! This piece which many of you have found difficult and some of you have become quite annoyed with. It addresses postmodern ideas in its own language but whereas postmodernism seeks to complicate & confuse, this piece seeks to show the workings. 1 of many.https://twitter.com/thesadredearth/status/972840550717181952 …

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    A. Jay Adler @thesadredearth
    My latest essay, at Areo Magazine: 'Around the world, in revanchist reaction to the muddle of modernity, far... https://fb.me/IhoUfKrP 
    4:17 AM - 16 Mar 2018
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16

        "A double challenge to liberal democrats is both to reject the right in full voice, yet make clear their profound separateness from the far left... They must fully recognize how their progressivism differs from the ever-accumulating transformative regimes of the far left"

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16

        So, that (somewhat cut) is clear enough. The aim here is to distinguish a liberal desire for progress from the ideological mess on the far-left. To do so, requires understanding said ideological mess.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16

        "Many people have come to identify a necessary disambiguating idea for this recognition as that of postmodernism." Yes, that would be me. "I believe a deeper understanding — the more essential, yet particular and activating difference — can be found in “logocentrism.”" Do go on.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16

        So, logocentrism is commonly understood to be the idea that language reliably refers to what is out there. Derrida, particularly, rejected this. Everything is a text and every understanding of a text is an interpretation.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16

        Adler argues that a better understanding of 'logocentrism' is a more literal breakdown of the word. Making language the centre and reality secondary to that. He says that this is what the New New left is doing & understanding this makes so much else clear.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16

        I have argued that it is essential to understanding so much of what seems bewilderingly nuts on the postmodern left to understand the degree to which language (discourses) are understood to construct reality. We cannot get anywhere if we miss this vital part of the puzzle.

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16

        This is essentially the same point but Adler breaks it down and pinpoints the reversal that has happened much more distinctly and how profound an epistemological shift this is.

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      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16

        "...we might claim that the far left bookoisie cannot think without continually revising the means of thinking, the instruments of knowledge production. Epistemology is ontology. To know is to be, and how you know is how you be."

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      10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16

        "Thus, the far, New New Left has turned logocentrism on its head, jettisoning one sense of it for another, truer sense of the word. The new form seeks knowledge not *through* language, but *in* language." Language is not a tool, for them. It is the construction material

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      11. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16

        "Instead of seeking knowledge in the belief that thought and word are roughly, reliably coordinate to the world they reference, true logocentrism finds free-floating meaning almost religiously in the word itself. "

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      12. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16

        This profound epistemological shift has impact "What has all this meant in political practice? In political practice, true logocentrism produces a turn to subjectivity: subjective experience is raised in value over the objective description that is no longer warranted as valid."

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      13. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16

        Identity politics emerge. "It has produced a particular nexus of anti-free speech linguistic correctness aimed at protecting interior lives — human subjective experience — politically represented on the level of group identity."

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      14. End of conversation
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      2. Stephen Henstock‏ @HenstockStephen Mar 16
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        True Helen. I got about halfway through. Tough slogging for me.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16
        Replying to @HenstockStephen

        Yes, it is tough. But worth it. I also appreciate the strategic use of the language but recognise that people who are not familiar with it might not see what he is doing with it and why it's so amazing.

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      4. Helen Dale‏Verified account @_HelenDale Mar 16
        Replying to @HPluckrose @HenstockStephen

        You shouldn’t have had to translate. That you did so indicates the piece is badly written, and needed a firmer editorial hand. Also far too long.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16
        Replying to @_HelenDale @HenstockStephen

        I loved it on many levels but I recognise that other people didn't. I'd like him to write two versions in future and we could publish the simple one linked to the full version.

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      6. Helen Dale‏Verified account @_HelenDale Mar 16
        Replying to @HPluckrose @HenstockStephen

        Next time you get one like that send it to me and I’ll turn it into ‘Economist House Style’ for you. It’ll finish up 2000 words max and perfectly comprehensible to the ‘educated general reader’.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16
        Replying to @_HelenDale @HenstockStephen

        We have plenty of those tho. That's simple enough. That one was a bit special tho.

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      8. Helen Dale‏Verified account @_HelenDale Mar 16
        Replying to @HPluckrose @HenstockStephen

        The Economist regularly has to explain comparative advantage (much harder conceptually) to the ‘educated general reader’. The ideas here are not particularly complex and the job could be done in clear, comprehensible prose.

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      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 16
        Replying to @_HelenDale @HenstockStephen

        Yes, of course it could. There's nothing easier than clear, comprehensible prose.

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