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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 15

      A very thorough look at the clarity, reason & epistemological concerns many people otherwise inclined to be sympathetic to at least some of Dr Peterson's views have raised & an explanation of why It is so frustrating & often fruitless to raise them.https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve …

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    2. ice9‏ @__ice9 Mar 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      >First, take some extremely obvious platitude or truism. Make sure it actually does contain some insight, though it can be rather vague. Many philosophers and public intellectuals, historically. >It does help if you are male and Caucasian. Casual -isms detract from your point.

      1 reply 2 retweets 7 likes
    3. ice9‏ @__ice9 Mar 15
      Replying to @__ice9 @HPluckrose

      >If it’s so “obvious” that he can be written off as a charlatan, why do so many people respect his intellect? Motivational speakers need not be especially original-- merely memorable. I do not see anything fundamentally different about, e.g., Frankl's "Man's Search for Meaning".

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    4. ice9‏ @__ice9 Mar 15
      Replying to @__ice9 @HPluckrose

      The litmus test of utility in such a niche predominantly hinges on efficacy for the reader, not subjective perceptions of originality by ideologically-blinkered critics.

      2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
    5. ice9‏ @__ice9 Mar 15
      Replying to @__ice9 @HPluckrose

      >“archetypes” that have developed over... our species’ evolution. >by studying myths, we can see values and frameworks shared across cultures, and can therefore understand the structures that guide us. Yes, common in comparative literature/religion, cultural anthropology, etc.

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    6. ice9‏ @__ice9 Mar 15
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      >But here I am already giving Peterson’s work a more coherent summary than it actually deserves. ... according to whom? The summary is clearly accurate given even the most cursory reading; it is entirely deserved.

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    7. ice9‏ @__ice9 Mar 15
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      >says many things that either are true or “feel kind of true,” and does so in a way that makes the reader feel stupid for not really understanding. It discussed consistency and prioritization in ethical systems, privately and socially constructed, with suitable emotional depth.

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    8. ice9‏ @__ice9 Mar 15
      Replying to @__ice9 @HPluckrose

      To me, this was reminiscent of an expansion of a well-known aphorism-- "man cannot remake himself without suffering, for he is both the marble and the sculptor," attributed to Nobel laureate Alexis Carrel. Not especially original, but certainly inspirational to many people.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 15
      Replying to @__ice9

      I don't think anyone denies that he is inspirational. That's part of the problem. You echo his pragmatic approach - it doesn't matter if it's actually true but whether it does the job. Of course we disagree on what the job that needs doing is. If its just inspiring ppl...

      1:50 AM - 15 Mar 2018
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        2. ice9‏ @__ice9 Mar 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          >You echo his pragmatic approach - it doesn't matter if it's actually true but whether it does the job. I am relatively pragmatic, philosophically, but this is not a fair depiction of pragmatism. If anything, I see _far_ more indifference to truth among Peterson's opponents.

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        3. ice9‏ @__ice9 Mar 15
          Replying to @__ice9 @HPluckrose

          I think the most pragmatic epistemology is to assume the validity of the Cartesian cogito and a few basic mathematical axioms, deduce forward from them, and handle inductive inference statistically where practical, or otherwise via the most reliable known precedent or experiment.

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