Interesting. I have not tended to focus much on this problem within the socialist left, looking more at the problems in the identitarian left. I shall investigate.https://twitter.com/PeterTatchell/status/973930531254661120 …
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I am much more sympathetic to the old style socialist/radical left than the new style intersectional/identitarian left. They are also generally much more sympathetic to me - a old style liberal leftie which used not to be the case. .
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Why is totalizing class identity any better than other identities? Seems to me they are all relevant in achieving more liberal social system.
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Replying to @corymassimino
Not about identity. About measurable needs & providing for them.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Surely those you accuse of engaging in identity politics would argue they are also concerned about measurable needs and providing for them?
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Replying to @corymassimino
I am talking about economic needs. Basic human needs. People of both sexes, all races, all stations in life can require an economic safety net. I support this. This is not identitarian. It is to be available to everyone who needs it.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Those engaged in identity politics are also concerned with economic needs (and social/psychological needs which those interested in class have also historically talked about).
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Not noticeably. Much more focused on identity. They're generally shit with economics coz it spoils the intersectional oppression olympics if you have to include poor white men. But if you don't see difference between old labour left and the new identitarian left. I'll leave it
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Replying to @HPluckrose
No, I see a huge difference. I just think they are so often talking past each other, dismissing the others' entire cause/lens because of extreme examples.
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