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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 10

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Areo

    Tweeps! This is the one you absolutely must read! It explains so much and I will be quoting it lots. It needs reading slowly and with full concentration but is clear and well...right.https://twitter.com/AreoMagazine/status/972681293405106176 …

    Helen Pluckrose added,

    Areo @AreoMagazine
    The World Made Flat: The Logocentric Left and the Politics of Provocation | @thesadredearth https://areomagazine.com/2018/03/10/the-world-made-flat-the-logocentric-left-and-the-politics-of-provocation/ …
    7:58 PM - 10 Mar 2018
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    18 replies 24 retweets 62 likes
      1. New conversation
      2. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia Mar 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I found it poorly written obscurantist academese that managed to make an interesting idea boring. But I agree with the central thesis.

        2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 Mar 11
        Replying to @IonaItalia @HPluckrose

        I fully agree with this. Asking who the target audience is here. Because I have a feeling it's a niche group.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 11
        Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @IonaItalia

        My feeling was that it wouldn't have huge popular appeal but that those it did appeal to would love it intensely.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 Mar 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia

        Hm. Maybe, yes. But I think it goes against my belief that such pieces should be readable and understandable for a wider/unprofessional audience. Which I think it isn't. I categorize it as unattainable for the pleb interested in the subject.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 11
        Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @IonaItalia

        I don't think people have to commit to a certain style. What I loved about that was the mix of the literary with the analytical precision. But I don't think it's unattainable for the layman either. Just takes a little focus. Might need to be read twice.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose @TamaraBrouwer1 @IonaItalia

        Try reading it out loud. I do when editing and that's what made me fall in love with it. As well as the precision of the identification of the problem.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      8. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 Mar 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia

        I will try this. Promise. I was merely repeating what was taught to me; "Make the layman understand." And personally I think it doesn't do that.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 11
        Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @IonaItalia

        We have agreed on that. I don't think we only need publish things which are easily consumable tho. There is also pleasure and worth in having to work for something. Not pointlessly, obviously. But something allusive and evocative & right would be lost if we broke this down.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      10. End of conversation
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      2. Mike‏ @citation_needed Mar 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I tried. I gave it an honest go. But this looks like one of the works that Sokal and Bricmont mercilessly tore apart as an intellectual imposture. It was the passage about how Derrida’s logocentrism “de-centered the logos” that defeated me.

        3 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 10
        Replying to @citation_needed

        You might need to read it more than once. It needs to use these terms and also he is quite poetic but they are explained and there is a solid argument and clear insights into what is happening. By making language central, Derrida moved what it referred to into second place.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose @citation_needed

        Logocentrism originally meant that language straightforwardly described reality. There was reality first and language referred to it. Derrida, particularly, denied this. He put language first and this was truly logocentric but it displaced reality so words aren't referring to it.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose @citation_needed

        "If we cannot perceive and represent an objective world through the logos (reason) - describing what's there -, we can, rather, extract it from the logos (language) - construct it through discourses.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      6. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia Mar 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose @citation_needed

        Honestly, you could hv written this way better. The fact that it requires your paraphrase to be understood does not speak for it.

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      7. End of conversation
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      2. Roxane‏ @brigadam Mar 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

        I read it. Thought I understood it. Agreed it might be a new way to think about & address “the problem”. Then thought, I’ll check out what else he has to say - Pinker subscribes to scientism! Shit ☹️ It doesn’t discount what he said in the article, but.......

        1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 11
        Replying to @brigadam @GodDoesnt

        Well, yeah, that is wrong

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Matt‏ @MatthewGalanty Mar 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        But how is your hangover, wino? feeling better yet?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 10
        Replying to @MatthewGalanty

        Just started feeling human again, yes.

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Annie Hudson‏ @AhJohannie Mar 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose @eamorris_

        I'm looking forward to hear more about this. I did find it hard to understand but I've saved it so I can go back to it.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 10
        Replying to @AhJohannie @eamorris_

        It is something you might have to read two or three times but definitely worth it!

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Eric Wojciechowski  🛸 👽 🕴‏ @ericwojo Mar 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Your latest?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 10
        Replying to @ericwojo

        Not mine, no. I just edited it. It's brilliant.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Eric Wojciechowski  🛸 👽 🕴‏ @ericwojo Mar 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Will give it the time it deserves. Cheers.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. End of conversation

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