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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 9
      Replying to @Plato4Now @Intrinsic29 and

      I am not interested in this conversation anymore, thank you. I tried discussing it. It was pointless & frustrating as I was warned it would be. I don't want to do it again. But thank you.

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    2. Patrick Lee Miller‏ @Plato4Now Mar 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      You're welcome. I won't hide my disappointment. I thought we could have a lively and informed debate about things that we both care a great deal about. But I linked you to the essay I wrote for @QuilletteM critical of your approach, and I'd be happy to debate with you any time.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 9
      Replying to @Plato4Now @Intrinsic29 and

      I am all Plato'd out, tbh. I find your approach very tedious indeed. Please link the essay again. I seem to have lost it.

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    4. Patrick Lee Miller‏ @Plato4Now Mar 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      There's no Platonism in the first part (of either of my recent braces for @QuilletteM). And it is the first part that criticizes your approach, so perhaps you will be spared the worst of my tedium:http://quillette.com/2017/12/07/impasse-modernism-postmodernism/ …

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 9
      Replying to @Plato4Now @Intrinsic29 and

      I can't see how it addresses our argument, tbh. Just some rather facile definitions of modernism.

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    6. Patrick Lee Miller‏ @Plato4Now Mar 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      It presents some criticisms of modernism. Some are postmodern, some are Darwinian. I advanced them all as sound. I would think a champion of modernism would want to rebut them. That's why I thought we could have a lively and informed debate.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 9
      Replying to @Plato4Now @Intrinsic29 and

      Thank you but I don't find this at all interesting.

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    8. Patrick Lee Miller‏ @Plato4Now Mar 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      You don't find (friendly) criticisms of your approach at all interesting? In case it wasn't clear from my recent @QuilletteM articles, I'm defending the same values you cherish, but I'm doing so by first rebutting the sound criticisms of their philosophical underpinnings.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 9
      Replying to @Plato4Now @Intrinsic29 and

      Not at all interesting, no. I don't doubt the friendliness. I'll leave you to rebut sound criticisms of philosophical underpinnings and we can perhaps defend the same values together in future without either of us being bored to tears by the other's thinking around them?

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    10. Patrick Lee Miller‏ @Plato4Now Mar 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      Just to be clear: I'm not bored to tears, or bored at all, by you. As for defending the same values, there will no doubt be many occasions to do so, as there already have been. Ultimately (and perhaps ironically you agree), they're not really the same values.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 9
      Replying to @Plato4Now @Intrinsic29 and

      It does seem unlikely they would be.

      11:01 AM - 9 Mar 2018
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        2. Patrick Lee Miller‏ @Plato4Now Mar 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

          1/ Here's what I was thinking, lest it seem too vatic. I defend liberal values because they're required for the fullest pursuit of truth by reason; that's why I need to go to the bottom of the justification, even of liberal values and scientific epistemology themselves.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 9
          Replying to @Plato4Now @Intrinsic29 and

          I'm muting this conversation now. I really can't bear any more of it.

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        4. End of conversation
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        2. Patrick Lee Miller‏ @Plato4Now Mar 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

          3/ ... According to which some of the appeals of both are touted, but then deep critiques of the foundations are dismissed as too skeptical or too philosophical or ... I don't mean to put words in your mouth, I'm just inferring from your contributions to this thread.

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        3. Ben Sixsmith‏ @BDSixsmith Mar 9
          Replying to @Plato4Now @HPluckrose and

          God bless you but this discussion is more doomed than Custer's Last Stand and it being conducted with about as much of a sense of fair play.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 9
          Replying to @BDSixsmith @Plato4Now and

          We just don't want to play!

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        5. End of conversation
        1. Patrick Lee Miller‏ @Plato4Now Mar 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

          4/ Such defenses don't seem to me to be defenses at all, in the end, but merely the statement of prejudices ("these are our values, this is our method, and they do some good things"). As such, they're not fully rational, and thus fail according to their own ideal.

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        1. Patrick Lee Miller‏ @Plato4Now Mar 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

          2/ I explain that more fully in the second parts of my two most recent @QuilletteM articles. This differs, ultimately, from the defenses that other proponents of liberalism and empirical science (such as you, it seems to me) have been mounting...

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