Well, no. The point seems to be where does the morality come from and we both agree it's brains. There are scientific facts about our moral brains. I just finished Sapalsky's book on it. Our brains are a scientific fact so in that sense morality is produced by them. BUT:
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Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt and
I read Sapolsky's book as well, last year. So, you see, I don't deny any science at all. All that I say is that you can do ethics or morality just with scientific facts. I'm not talking about the origins of our moral sense, but rather the content of our moral values.
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Replying to @TheDissenterYT @GodDoesnt and
And where does that come from if not from something that ultimately reduces to a load of facts?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt and
But how to you select from the facts the ones that are relevant and you should consider? I thought we already talked about how you have to have a moral system set in place beforehand, in order to select the relevant facts.
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Replying to @TheDissenterYT @GodDoesnt and
Yes, we have already agreed that and agreed that these are devised using the capacity of brains. What do you think we disagree on?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt and
Well, I was just saying, from the very beginning that it's not only scientific facts that create our moral values, and they can't do it alone, since you have to have a moral system in place to select among them. Okay?
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Replying to @TheDissenterYT @GodDoesnt and
Oh god! If you're not going to explain what you mean by this and if it differs from what we've all just agreed is true - that this system comes from brains and the neuroscience explains it - we'll just have to accept there is no disagreement.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt and
Well, I suppose that, at least between you and I, there's no disagreement. But, look, let's pick up Sam Harris' argument that we can derive our moral values from scientific facts that we know, and we don't need anything else. Here's the problem, and with this I don't agree.
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Replying to @TheDissenterYT @GodDoesnt and
But where does he say this? He says there are real facts that can be known about the wellbeing and suffering of conscious creatures and he sets this as the bar (values) and he accepts that this all - the suffering/wellbeing, reason & morality - comes from our brains. Like us.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt and
Oh, no, but he clearly says that we can derive moral values exclusively from scientific facts. Come on. He even tries to ridicule moral philosophy in his book, The Moral Landscape.
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I think you need to read it again and spell out exactly what he says which is wrong coz I agree with Moral Landscape but you agree with me.
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