And you think Sam Harris or James disagree with this?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt and
If you say tha you can leave philosoph (morality) out of the picture, and just let it all to science and scientific facts. Well, yeah...
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Replying to @TheDissenterYT @GodDoesnt and
Well, no. The point seems to be where does the morality come from and we both agree it's brains. There are scientific facts about our moral brains. I just finished Sapalsky's book on it. Our brains are a scientific fact so in that sense morality is produced by them. BUT:
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Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt and
I read Sapolsky's book as well, last year. So, you see, I don't deny any science at all. All that I say is that you can do ethics or morality just with scientific facts. I'm not talking about the origins of our moral sense, but rather the content of our moral values.
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Replying to @TheDissenterYT @GodDoesnt and
And where does that come from if not from something that ultimately reduces to a load of facts?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt and
But how to you select from the facts the ones that are relevant and you should consider? I thought we already talked about how you have to have a moral system set in place beforehand, in order to select the relevant facts.
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Replying to @TheDissenterYT @GodDoesnt and
Yes, we have already agreed that and agreed that these are devised using the capacity of brains. What do you think we disagree on?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt and
Well, I was just saying, from the very beginning that it's not only scientific facts that create our moral values, and they can't do it alone, since you have to have a moral system in place to select among them. Okay?
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Replying to @TheDissenterYT @GodDoesnt and
Oh god! If you're not going to explain what you mean by this and if it differs from what we've all just agreed is true - that this system comes from brains and the neuroscience explains it - we'll just have to accept there is no disagreement.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt and
Because you can't have a moral system just based on scientific facts. Because, how can you choose which facts to pay attention to and incorporate in your moral system, if you haven't moral values to guide you on that?
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We've been here! Jesus. Just read back. I'm not going to answer any more,
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