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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 8
      Replying to @BDSixsmith @Plato4Now and

      No, you'd need to add some neuroscience to show that we can't help that if neurologically typical. It's part of being a social species. It doesn't matter on a broader scale what we do. Humanity generally only matters to humanity. And maybe dogs. ;-)

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    2. Ben Sixsmith‏ @BDSixsmith Mar 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Plato4Now and

      Heh. We certainly care about those close to us. But caring about people people we have never met is a very modern and far from universal trend.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 8
      Replying to @BDSixsmith @Plato4Now and

      Yes, this doesn't detract from the fact that empathy strongly informs Y drives our moral sense as social mammals. Those who don't have empathy, eg psychopaths, very often don't have morality or have difficulty with it.

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    4. Ben Sixsmith‏ @BDSixsmith Mar 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Plato4Now and

      Sure, I agree. My point (which I perhaps could have made better earlier) is that universalist ethics defy human nature and demand moral arguments that transcend scientific facts.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 8
      Replying to @BDSixsmith @Plato4Now and

      This is still part of the response to the hypothetical scientist who doesn't know this? It seems like everyone in the conversation knows this.

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    6. The Dissenter‏ @TheDissenterYT Mar 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BDSixsmith and

      But, look, the conversation went there because some people were questioning that. And saying that some of our evolved moral sentiments are enough to expand morality.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 8
      Replying to @TheDissenterYT @BDSixsmith and

      Well, they're all we have. We can only do morality to the extent that we conceive of morality & this has been shaped by our evolution as social mammals. It's a human thing tho some other social mammals share rudimentary forms of empathy, reciprocity, fairness etc.

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    8. The Dissenter‏ @TheDissenterYT Mar 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BDSixsmith and

      Yes, it's true. But you also have to choose among them to conduct yourself. That's why you have "the better angels of our nature". You also have the worse angels of our nature. So, you can't just follow them indiscriminately.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 8
      Replying to @TheDissenterYT @BDSixsmith and

      That's what the discussions are for, yes. Was anyone arguing for following them indiscriminately? I thought the difference was over whether our evolved morality was enough to explain why we set moral premises & then seek facts about how to implement them.

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    10. The Dissenter‏ @TheDissenterYT Mar 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BDSixsmith and

      Of course our evolved morality is enough for that. But then you have reason and other cognitive processes, and morality is more than just a evolved moral sense + scientific facts to inform it. Even though it's also that, of course.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 8
      Replying to @TheDissenterYT @BDSixsmith and

      Yes, of course. Is anyone arguing otherwise? Let's clarify: Are you arguing that human moral values come from anywhere other than human brains & their evolved capacities expressed through language and mediated in groups in relation to other humans & things in the environment?

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