Is magic on the table here? I came in in the middle of this so might have missed something. Is someone suggesting that magic rather than science is the way to ascertain facts that can be used in moral decision-making?
Who is on the other side of this? The side where moral values are not needed for moral decisions?
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The side that says that our evolved moral sentiments and scientific facts by themselves are all we need to make moral decisions.
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Hang on! You're not conflating 'humans' with 'scientific facts' are you? It is a fact that we exist and have evolved morality, yes, but I assumed we were talking about science as a method. What else is there to morality but our evolved moral sense & facts by which to inform it?
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Okay, so you have moral sense, and the facts about the world, or whatever. But you have to have a system of values to decide about what moral values to prioritize and what facts to choose from.
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Yes, this is how we organise our moral sense. Into language and systems and arguments and rationalisations. But we do agree they come from our evolved prefrontal cortex, language centre, reasoning capacities -our brains - not anywhere else, right?
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Of course.
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