One of the good things about the Enlightenment was the process that began where we test things and recognise the bad as bad and weed it out. We'll never get things perfect but this is the only way to get better.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @disitinerant and
1/ That brings us round to the original topic of the thread: whether empirical science can offer sound prescriptions in addition to sound descriptions. If by “Enlightenment” you mean empirical science (already a slippery association), we have to be careful.
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Replying to @Plato4Now @disitinerant and
Yes, we wrote 10,000 words on this where we avoided using 'Enlightenment' but spoke of the general intellectual and cultural shifts and developments of the modern period - science, reason, secularism, liberal democracy - under umbrella of 'modernity.'
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Replying to @HPluckrose @Plato4Now and
But even the ideas that are attributed to the Enlightenment are much more ancient than the Enlightenment itself. Philosophically and historically, it doesn't make any sense to place their origins at that point.
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Replying to @TheDissenterYT @Plato4Now and
Don't then? I don't think anyone claims this, do they? This was why we needed 10,000 words. It's well known that the Enlightenment closely connected to the Renaissance which was heavily informed by Ancient Greece. This might be of interest academically but is not really point.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @Plato4Now and
Why not? It's extremely important in tracing the basis to our moral values.
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Replying to @TheDissenterYT @Plato4Now and
Go for it. I am also interested in this. The Renaissance is my period of study. However, the history of ideas found in the Enlightenment need not inform our every moral decision now.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @Plato4Now and
Yes, but if you say that things like reason, individualism, progress, science, and so on, inform our current values, then what I answer is that those ideas are much more ancient than the Enlightenment.
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Replying to @TheDissenterYT @Plato4Now and
OK, you can answer that if you think it adds anything. Then we can continue discussing the claim that things like reason, individualism, progress, science, and so on, inform our current values?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @Plato4Now and
And, of course we can give the merit to the Enlightenment philosophers and scientists for having integrated these values, and superating previous problems that plagued humanity. That's not the problem here.
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I've not come across the problem you're seeing, that's all. But if you tell me you often encounter it, of course, I believe you.
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