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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Patrick Lee Miller‏ @Plato4Now Mar 8
      Replying to @disitinerant @daveweeden and

      Being fully rational requires taking stock of the whole. To focus exclusively on good (or bad) is to make a partial judgment. To deny the Enlightenment's responsibility for anything bad after, say, 1750 while giving it credit for everything good thereafter is a double standard.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 8
      Replying to @Plato4Now @disitinerant and

      One of the good things about the Enlightenment was the process that began where we test things and recognise the bad as bad and weed it out. We'll never get things perfect but this is the only way to get better.

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    3. The Dissenter‏ @TheDissenterYT Mar 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Plato4Now and

      And who tried to negate that? It's just that it's very important to keep a strong moral sense, and there are scientists that believe too much that science can do that by itself.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 8
      Replying to @TheDissenterYT @Plato4Now and

      Well, lots of people negate it, obv. They focus on the fact that bad things happened during and following the Enlightenment & argue that it was a bad development. They ignore fact that it's a project of self-correction and improvement.

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @TheDissenterYT and

          Possibly there are scientists who believe science can replace the discussion and development of ethics but if so, they're few and far between. The Enlightenment project - what Rauch calls 'liberal science' - focuses strongly on the free exchange of ideas for moral advancement.

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        3. The Dissenter‏ @TheDissenterYT Mar 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Plato4Now and

          Yeah, but the discussion here was precisely around that. Some people here defended that science by itself can determine what are the correct moral values to hold.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 8
          Replying to @TheDissenterYT @Plato4Now and

          OK, fair enough. Fortunately, they're widely recognised as loons and most people recognise that the universe doesn't care if we torture each other to extinction. We have to decide what matters tho empathy, compassion, justice etc are innate & guide this.

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        5. The Dissenter‏ @TheDissenterYT Mar 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Plato4Now and

          We already covered empathy here. Empathy doesn't allow you to expand a more principle to people who don't belong to your group. Paul Bloom covered that in his recent book, Against Empathy.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 8
          Replying to @TheDissenterYT @Plato4Now and

          There can certainly be many limitations on empathy but this doesn't change that we have an innate sense of it & it informs our moral sense. 'Don't do things to other people that you wouldn't like done to you' comes up over & over again in various cultures as a moral premise.

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        2. The Dissenter‏ @TheDissenterYT Mar 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Plato4Now and

          Yes, but the problem is that, if we are to follow predicaments like the ones espoused by Sam Harris and others, that we can depend completely on science to inform our moral values, then it will simply don't work. We need more than that.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 8
          Replying to @TheDissenterYT @Plato4Now and

          We need a premise, yes. He set the one about focusing on the wellbeing of conscious creatures. Then there are facts to be known about how to improve this & decrease suffering. If your morality isn't predicated on the wellbeing of others, this is irrelevant.

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