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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted ChemicalAgency

      If one is critical of Christianity, it is still not acceptable to go & shut down a church service even if the ideas were being expressed in other churches! And if this was actually effective in preventing Christians from practicing their faith, that would be even worse!https://twitter.com/HereInThere/status/971365538109775872 …

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      ChemicalAgency @HereInThere
      Replying to @HereInThere @HPluckrose
      I guess maybe I'll just have to rethink the position. In my mind, when a prevalent idea is established across many actors and platforms, I see no reason why interrupting an event constitutes infringement of free speech. Especially considering the history of effective protests.
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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7

      It doesn't matter that Christianity is a prevalent set of ideas that can be found elsewhere. That still doesn't give anyone the moral right to decide that this set of Christians will not express their faith today. It is horribly authoritarian. Don't countenance it, @HereInThere

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    3. ChemicalAgency‏ @HereInThere Mar 7
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I could think of many reasons to want to shut down a church service. The pastor is a known pedophile, supports cleansing of LGBT, convincing his members to sacrifice themselves, and many others all of which have happened! Disruptive protest is a tool and needs leeway.

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    4. ChemicalAgency‏ @HereInThere Mar 7
      Replying to @HereInThere @HPluckrose

      I can't disagree that what constitutes necessary disruptive protest is a fine line. I'm trying to square how does a minority express discontent effectively without disruption because historically it has been absolutely necessary.

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    5. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev Mar 7
      Replying to @HereInThere @HPluckrose

      Criticism, mockery, shunning can all be used to signal disagreement. Protests are also fine, as long as they don't prevent others from speaking.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7
      Replying to @christianjbdev @HereInThere

      Yes. At our thing, they held three counter events in protest which was exactly the right thing to do. They walked up & down outside with signs of female scientists which was (irrelevant to claims but) the right thing to do. Some walked out. Also fine. Turning sound off? No.

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    7. ChemicalAgency‏ @HereInThere Mar 7
      Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

      So there is some level of disruption you will tolerate. We need to be careful when we vilify protests. I'm not saying you do this. But many cast a wide net. I can agree that the line is turning off that mic (again I disagree with the reasons and method) is the line we need.

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7
      Replying to @HereInThere @christianjbdev

      Yes, I said so from the start. The line is stopping speech.

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    9. ChemicalAgency‏ @HereInThere Mar 7
      Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

      I can only begrudgingly accept because I believe it is so much more nuanced. The campus protests are frustrating, they are a divergence from historic need for disruptive protests. I'll be surprised in 100 years if someone says I'm glad we held signs outside x bad idea.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7
      Replying to @HereInThere @christianjbdev

      I hope they'll say they're glad they countered it with better ones.

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