At this point we've removed zero intrinsic human biases, in fact they're preyed upon more than ever. I see a history riddled with bad ideas thought good by the group. Speech reaches further than ever. If there an idea I find repugnant held by a group I need to change their mind ?
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Yes - and you’d be astonished at what can be achieved with civil conversation;https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes …
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Of course there are small examples but those usually involve direct experience of execution of an idea. But the vast majority of debatable ideas are almost irreconcilable. Abortion, gun rights, climate change, systemic racism. Hosting debates rarely changes pov, just a fact.
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People could say the same thing about a black man talking Klan members out of their hoods, and yet Davis has done it a great many times. Sommers wasn’t debating people though; she was trying to deliver a speech to people who wanted to hear her.
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I'm not sure what you're arguing against. Debating ideas rarely changes the mind of those holding opposed views. That's just a fact of reality. It can happen and does happen but usually emotive prior to logic. Obviously I find conversation and debate useful, generally.
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You asked if you need to change the mind of a group holding ideas you find repugnant. My argument is; yes, and as I’ve shown with Davis, it is doable if you go about it the right way.
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I'm not denying that a peaceful and respective protest or debate isn't more persuasive. I'm arguing that there is an expected place for disruptive protest in a society that values free speech such bringing an issue into the mainstream. Is that still infringement. Maybe.
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We are arguing two different things then. I’d agree that there’s an expected place for disruptive protest - but I’d also say that its place is *after* civil discussion has been honestly tried and failed (or rendered non-viable by state-enforced violence).
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