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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻

      Ah! Perhaps this is it.Sometimes people think of freedom of speech as the law of their particular country but this is different to the principle,Laws around this only apply to government. I am speaking of individual commitments to advocating & promoting the free exchange of ideashttps://twitter.com/notCursedE/status/971307025773793280 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻 @notCursedE
      Replying to @somaticvibe @HPluckrose @DavidKlion
      This is still not a freedom of speech issue. Nobody was arrested for their speech. It's still just a formal discussion of ideas and rudeness issue. You've not convinced me by being all ad hominem-y
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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7

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    3. ChemicalAgency‏ @HereInThere Mar 7
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      You're missing or at least need to address that there is never unanimous consent and competing ideas often are not filtered on their moral merit. There is an intersection b/w protesting established ideas while offering opposing ones. A battle of neutral ground with fluid rules.

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    4. ChemicalAgency‏ @HereInThere Mar 7
      Replying to @HereInThere @HPluckrose

      Not defending the actions of the few protesters but "free speech" narrative is scapegoat. An NFL player can't kneel during the National Anthem. Protests must be orderly and out of the way. Historically the most effective have always been the most rambunctious. Where is the line?

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7
      Replying to @HereInThere

      That doesn't prevent anyone from speaking. The line is at stopping people from hearing a speaker they have invited to speak.

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    6. ChemicalAgency‏ @HereInThere Mar 7
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      We have more "free" or unfiltered speech available to >% of the population than ever in the history of civilization. There is no one platform to present ideas and the ideas protested here are not novel. Even those like ISIS have plenty of platforms to spread their speech.

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    7. ChemicalAgency‏ @HereInThere Mar 7
      Replying to @HereInThere @HPluckrose

      My point is we need to distinguish between the actual limiting of free speech and the human right to protest a known idea someone find repugnant. I'm not defending their actions! But the conversation seems flawed.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7
      Replying to @HereInThere

      That's my point too. I support protests which don't prevent speakers from speaking or audiences from hearing the speaker they have invited to speak. That's the distinction. The people who protested at the event I did a couple of weeks ago, walked out & damaged the sound system.

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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose @HereInThere

          The walking out is fine but the damage to the sound system was an attempt to ensure that 400 people who had come to hear us could not do so. That was in opposition to the free exchange of ideas & diversity of ideas which underlies liberal society.

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        2. ChemicalAgency‏ @HereInThere Mar 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I value your opinion and the courage you had to go up there! I could not disagree more with their methods or even reasons! But there is some really tricky nuance here that needs to be debated, not by me, (and then protested 😉) to delineate what is a violation of free speech.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7
          Replying to @HereInThere

          I think we're doing that. It is contrary to the principle of supporting the free exchange of diverse ideas to try to prevent someone from speaking or others from hearing her. It is cowardly & bullying when you could step up & show the problem with the speech.

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        4. ChemicalAgency‏ @HereInThere Mar 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          But that's not the case for many people who are majority laymen and which goes back to my original point. Human interaction is not logical robots and never has been in the history of society. Ideas, historically, are bad, implemented, then modified.

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        5. ChemicalAgency‏ @HereInThere Mar 7
          Replying to @HereInThere @HPluckrose

          I guess maybe I'll just have to rethink the position. In my mind, when a prevalent idea is established across many actors and platforms, I see no reason why interrupting an event constitutes infringement of free speech. Especially considering the history of effective protests.

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        6. God's Ventriloquist‏ @godsven3loquist Mar 7
          Replying to @HereInThere @HPluckrose

          Using ones freedom of speech via protest to deny another’s is the epitome of hypocrisy. Express dissent, hold events that voice opposing opinions, attend and ask challenging questions. The heckler’s veto was the bane of the civil rights movement, we don’t want to go there.

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        7. ChemicalAgency‏ @HereInThere Mar 7
          Replying to @godsven3loquist @HPluckrose

          I'm not defending rioting, but riots and the like have directly led to intervention in a positive manner throughout the history of the US. Haymaker riots was a huge turning point. I don't ever want it to get to that point but i'm not doing to deny effectiveness.

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7
          Replying to @HereInThere @godsven3loquist

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/11/05/peaceful-protest-is-much-more-effective-than-violence-in-toppling-dictators/?utm_term=.4ce70874dfdc …

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        9. ChemicalAgency‏ @HereInThere Mar 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose @godsven3loquist

          ChemicalAgency Retweeted Yarrow Dunham

          My point would still stand because the effectiveness is predicated on the situation. A violent protest might have less rate of success but be more successful in certain situations.https://twitter.com/yarrowdunham/status/971024859483525122 …

          ChemicalAgency added,

          Yarrow Dunham @yarrowdunham
          Fascinating analysis of GSS data on opposition to free speech over the last 30+ years. Almost entirely at odds with conservative narrative. Overall support for allowing “controversial” views to be heard has maredly increased. 1/n . http://bit.ly/2FesZ0y  pic.twitter.com/peLpCrTnvN
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