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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻‏ @notCursedE Mar 7
      Replying to @JAndViolentMob @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

      Oh you definitely can. It's just a mess. Formal discussion is how we tidy up freedom of speech and the issue here is merely that they flouted the rules of discussion. Nothing to do with freedom of speech itself.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7
      Replying to @notCursedE @DavidKlion

      I'm not going to keep explaining what I mean by the principle of freedom of speech. You're not acknowledging it.

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    3. Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻‏ @notCursedE Mar 7
      Replying to @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

      No I've acknowledge it and continually keep telling you you are wrong. This isn't about freedom of speech. It's about the rules of formal discussion. Please acknowledge this point or don't reply. Im already so bored and frustrated with this.

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    4. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Mar 7
      Replying to @notCursedE @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

      It's freedom of speech, not freedom of noise. Speech needs to be able to be comprehended to exist. You can't have speech if whenever you talk someone noises you out, but you can never be comprehended. We're reduced to freedom of noise.

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    5. Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻‏ @notCursedE Mar 7
      Replying to @JAndViolentMob @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

      THEY WERE SAYING WORDS. Jesus why is nobody actually listening to me lmao.

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Jason Voorhees  🔪‏ @somaticvibe Mar 7
      Replying to @notCursedE @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

      Because you’re fucking wrong fam. If you prevent someone from speaking you are taking away their right to speak. How do you not get this?

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    7. Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻‏ @notCursedE Mar 7
      Replying to @somaticvibe @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

      I'm really not.

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    8. Jason Voorhees  🔪‏ @somaticvibe Mar 7
      Replying to @notCursedE @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

      You really are. Preventing people from suppressing free speech is not a suppression of free speech, it’s a defense of it. Put down the bong.

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    9. Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻‏ @notCursedE Mar 7
      Replying to @somaticvibe @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

      This is still not a freedom of speech issue. Nobody was arrested for their speech. It's still just a formal discussion of ideas and rudeness issue. You've not convinced me by being all ad hominem-y

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    10. Jason Voorhees  🔪‏ @somaticvibe Mar 7
      Replying to @notCursedE @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

      Yes it is. Freedom of speech is what this is all about. Nobody was arrested, that would be censorship. Dot get those mixed up. And now it’s about being rude? Come on, how many times are you going to move the goal posts?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7
      Replying to @somaticvibe @notCursedE @DavidKlion

      I think she's consistent. It;s just a much narrower definition of freedom of speech that the one I'm using which is about liberal intellectual history and the values it has left us with concerning the ways to advance society.

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        2. Jason Voorhees  🔪‏ @somaticvibe Mar 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose @notCursedE @DavidKlion

          I’d say for me it’s twisted the concept of free ideas and the way they are expressed; keeping in the spirit of free speech means defending those who would have their ideas heard and preventing those that want to disrupt from doing so.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7
          Replying to @somaticvibe @notCursedE @DavidKlion

          Absolutely, yes. It's a much broader thing with a long intellectual history. Have you read Rauch's Kindly Inquisitors? It is is excellent on this.

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        4. Jason Voorhees  🔪‏ @somaticvibe Mar 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose @notCursedE @DavidKlion

          No. But after reading the synopsis I think this should be something I take with me to higher ed. Thanks :)

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7
          Replying to @somaticvibe @notCursedE @DavidKlion

          I am evangelical about it! That and A righteous Mind, by Jonathan Haidt

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