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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Only using this platform for BOO-ms

      It is, you know. You support freedom of speech by not preventing speech. Even when I was at my most anti-religious, I would not have gone into a church or mosque & shouted the vicar/imam down coz I thought they were speaking horrible nonsense. Other people wanted to hear.https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/971016050702766080 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Only using this platform for BOO-msVerified account @DavidKlion
      No one is stopping Sommers from tweeting whatever dumb, inflammatory, insulting nonsense she wants, and plenty of publishers and TV producers give her a platform for that as well. She isn't entitled to lecture students without being interrupted. That's not how free speech works.
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    2. Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻‏ @notCursedE Mar 6
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Eh. @DavidKlion is wrong. If she was arranged to be there it's kinda bullshit that she was interrupted. But equally I think you're wrong too. Free speech is a two way street. She has her right to speak freely just as much as they have a right to yell over the top of her.

      11 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻‏ @notCursedE Mar 6
      Replying to @notCursedE @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

      The point is that we all get to use our freedom of speech however we damn well please. Neither kind of policing from either of you is particularly in the spirit of that.

      5 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Mar 7
      Replying to @notCursedE @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

      This is a little like saying: "You have a right to write a book, but we have a write to scrawl all over it so that it's incomprehensible before anyone else can buy it." This is not what freedom of speech means in a civil society.

      2 replies 1 retweet 14 likes
    5. Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻‏ @notCursedE Mar 7
      Replying to @JAndViolentMob @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

      No it's like saying if you write a book about something and I disagree with it I'm allowed to show up at your book signing and tell everyone your book is bullshit.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Mar 7
      Replying to @notCursedE @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

      That's not what is happen at these seminar. They are scrawling over the book before anybody can read it. If it was a book signing, yeah, I'd agree. Shout all you like. But this is a seminar, a *talk*. I mean, it's in the damn name.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    7. Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻‏ @notCursedE Mar 7
      Replying to @JAndViolentMob @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

      Yeah and they came to talk... Which they did... Loudly... This isn't a freedom of speech issue at all. It's just a rudeness one. And we look stupid when we keep crying muh freedom of speech and muh censorship in situations like this.

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    8. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Mar 7
      Replying to @notCursedE @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

      "Yeah and they came to talk... Which they did... Loudly..." Surely you are being disingenuous?!

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    9. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Mar 7
      Replying to @JAndViolentMob @notCursedE and

      Seriously, the only conclusion to accepting the scenario you are supporting is violence. Shout louder than the other guys, and if that doesn't work, use aggression.

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    10. Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻‏ @notCursedE Mar 7
      Replying to @JAndViolentMob @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

      Right... Which is why we invented formal discussion.. And that's why what they did is a problem.. Because they flouted the rules of formal discussion. Not because they were anti free speech at all.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7
      Replying to @notCursedE @DavidKlion

      I can't keep saying it depends what you mean by free speech. They were anti the very thing I am advocating but clearly not what you are. I'm about the exchange of ideas for the benefit of society. This is the principle I am defending.

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