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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Only using this platform for BOO-ms

    It is, you know. You support freedom of speech by not preventing speech. Even when I was at my most anti-religious, I would not have gone into a church or mosque & shouted the vicar/imam down coz I thought they were speaking horrible nonsense. Other people wanted to hear.https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/971016050702766080 …

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    Only using this platform for BOO-msVerified account @DavidKlion
    No one is stopping Sommers from tweeting whatever dumb, inflammatory, insulting nonsense she wants, and plenty of publishers and TV producers give her a platform for that as well. She isn't entitled to lecture students without being interrupted. That's not how free speech works.
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      1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6

        I wouldn't now go and shout down intersectional feminist talks. Other people came to hear them. Not me shouting. We simply couldn't function if every talk was yelled over by people who disagreed with it. Just respond in an appropriate time and place.

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      2. Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻‏ @notCursedE Mar 6
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Eh. @DavidKlion is wrong. If she was arranged to be there it's kinda bullshit that she was interrupted. But equally I think you're wrong too. Free speech is a two way street. She has her right to speak freely just as much as they have a right to yell over the top of her.

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      3. Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻‏ @notCursedE Mar 6
        Replying to @notCursedE @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

        The point is that we all get to use our freedom of speech however we damn well please. Neither kind of policing from either of you is particularly in the spirit of that.

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      4. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Mar 7
        Replying to @notCursedE @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

        This is a little like saying: "You have a right to write a book, but we have a write to scrawl all over it so that it's incomprehensible before anyone else can buy it." This is not what freedom of speech means in a civil society.

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      5. Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻‏ @notCursedE Mar 7
        Replying to @JAndViolentMob @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

        No it's like saying if you write a book about something and I disagree with it I'm allowed to show up at your book signing and tell everyone your book is bullshit.

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      6. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Mar 7
        Replying to @notCursedE @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

        That's not what is happen at these seminar. They are scrawling over the book before anybody can read it. If it was a book signing, yeah, I'd agree. Shout all you like. But this is a seminar, a *talk*. I mean, it's in the damn name.

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      7. Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻‏ @notCursedE Mar 7
        Replying to @JAndViolentMob @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

        Yeah and they came to talk... Which they did... Loudly... This isn't a freedom of speech issue at all. It's just a rudeness one. And we look stupid when we keep crying muh freedom of speech and muh censorship in situations like this.

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      8. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Mar 7
        Replying to @notCursedE @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

        "Yeah and they came to talk... Which they did... Loudly..." Surely you are being disingenuous?!

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      9. Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻‏ @notCursedE Mar 7
        Replying to @JAndViolentMob @HPluckrose @DavidKlion

        Nope. Just trying to point out that the issue here is the formality of discussion and debate being flouted... Not people's right to freedom of speech.

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      2. Booker Powell‏ @powellasking Mar 7
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I’m pretty sure free speech includes interrupting other people.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 7
        Replying to @powellasking

        That's irrelevant to free speech. FS is not about literal speaking. It's about welcoming the expression of views you disagree with so you can address them rather than shutting them down by banning them or preventing them from being heard by people who want to hear them.

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      4. Booker Powell‏ @powellasking Mar 7
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        In the contemporary legal context (which is the relevant context for the happenings at the law school) FS is a Consitutional right that would have been infringed by preventing the students from organizing the way they chose to.

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      5. Booker Powell‏ @powellasking Mar 7
        Replying to @powellasking @HPluckrose

        So I guess this is a situation in which US and UK understandings of FS are directly at loggerheads

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      1. Mike‏ @citation_needed Mar 6
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Freedom of speech entails the freedom of others to listen if they want to.

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      1. Edwin J. Pole II‏ @ejpoleii Mar 7
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Speaking freely in a public square is quite different than speaking freely in a rented or arranged space. Entering a space implies acceptance of contractual relationship not to disturb the speaker.

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      1. Crazy Swedish Guy‏ @OdiousRepeater Mar 7
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        This shouldn't be about freedom of speech. In the public square, I get to talk, but people get to talk right over me. No law regulates that. But it's still fair for people to be allowed to set rules of engagement for their events. Comedians have hecklers thrown out after all.

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      1. Caleb McAfee‏ @ASA20156 Mar 8
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Personally, I've always preferred calm and rational debate. If I have a view you don't like, Tell me why you think it's wrong and try to change my mind. Don't talk down to me, swear or call me names. If you have do that to prove you're right, You've lost the Arguement imo.

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      1. Lionel Beck‏ @The_River_Man Mar 8
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Well said.

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