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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Alex Simonelis

    Well, his thing was looking at religious claims from a scientific perspective. But we can't expect people not to talk about their views just coz they have oomph. "No, Oprah, you should not speak of God existing. You are not an expert in religion & have many fans.' Doesn't happen.https://twitter.com/alexsimonelis/status/971204927711309825 …

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    Alex Simonelis @alexsimonelis
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    Many do act confident. But he brings more: real experise as a famous prof of biology. Others don't have that kind of oomph. Problem is his oomph isn't in the field of religion, but transferable in many people's minds, I suspect.
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6

        I notice this a lot. Seems you have to have a PhD in theology to argue against existence of God or criticise religion but anyone can say God does exist and that religion is great. Society respects the right to speak positively of faith much more than the right to speak negatively

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6

        For example, I have seen many people complain that atheists should just leave religious people alone when they write books about God not existing but almost no-one suggesting religious people should just leave atheists alone when they write books which assume he does exist.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6

        When religious people speak publicly abt God existing, this is just expression of views. When non-religious ppl speak publicly abt God not existing, this is an attack on religious people. Forcing your views on them! This happened so often, I felt the need to write this:pic.twitter.com/p55dvloK0z

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      2. Alex Simonelis‏ @alexsimonelis Mar 6
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        PS - you can't really look at real (non-crank) relgious claims with science. They're what mathematicians would describe as orthogonal (independent).

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6
        Replying to @alexsimonelis

        Yes, you can. The claim that one can only look at them in the way they've always been looked at - through philosophy and theology - does not need to be respected. Dawkins addresses this in intro of TGD. I addressed it here:https://areomagazine.com/2017/05/15/where-now-for-new-atheists/ …

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      4. Rick von SLAYger‏ @RickVonJaeger Mar 6
        Replying to @HPluckrose @alexsimonelis

        you mean if you define things scientifically, wow, you can address anything scientifically, wowee. wowzers. holy cow, stop the presses, the atheists have done it again. how did they get so smart these guys.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6
        Replying to @RickVonJaeger @OldSaintRiot @alexsimonelis

        I don't know what that means. I know we don't always have to look at God according to theological and philosophical assumptions. Don't worry. There are still plenty of books that do if that's all you want. Centuries of them.

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      6. Alex Simonelis‏ @alexsimonelis Mar 6
        Replying to @HPluckrose @OldSaintRiot

        I think we'll end up disagreeing here. The ultimate tool of science generally is math proof. There is no proof that God exists, neither that He doesn't. Less strongly, evidence, but both sides look at the same facts as see them as evidence for opposite conclusions.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6
        Replying to @alexsimonelis @OldSaintRiot

        Well, no, proving a negative is impossible. That's why we wait for evidence before considering something a serious proposition.

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      8. Alex Simonelis‏ @alexsimonelis Mar 6
        Replying to @HPluckrose @OldSaintRiot

        That's a myth. Math, for example, abounds in negative proofs. One can prove that 1.0 has no immediately adjacent real number in a few seconds. Also possible in physics, ...

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      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6
        Replying to @alexsimonelis @OldSaintRiot

        How? By showing something positive? How do you show that a being with no real description or location does not exist? You can't. There could be mermaids in some part of the universe. We can't prove there aren't.

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      1. Alex Simonelis‏ @alexsimonelis Mar 6
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Right, he can talk. But he's not exactly the same as Joe the plumber.

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