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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6

      When people make arguments that those who advocate freedom of speech must then commit to listening to the speech of everyone else in the world, I realise how much danger we are in of losing touch with the liberal principle of freedom.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6

      If people understood that it is the concept of freedom which underlies defence of freedom of expression, they could not possibly think this compatible with having no freedom to decide what you listen to.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6

      They don't see it as that. They see 'freedom of speech' as demanding the right to inflict views on other people which is abusive and even violent. The response 'Well, then you must listen to me as I berate & yell at you or just never go away so you know how it feels' is punitive.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6

      They genuinely see this as equivalent. I've seen a lot of this in the last few days but its been growing for a while & it's bewildering to others who keep saying 'Why is it so hard to understand that freedom of speech and freedom to choose which speech you listen to go together?'

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6

      It's hard to understand if you don't realise how much the idea of discourses constructing social reality has been internalised by large segments of society - that the very existence of speech which argues for something they find abhorrent damages society and marginalised groups.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6

      The idea that speech you don't like could be going on but you don't have to listen to it or that you can argue with it simply isn't enough. Harm is being done by these ideas being spoken. If it can't be stopped, there must be consequences for it.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6

      They speak of this as though people are being bombarded, wounded by these words and ideas they don't like that are being spoken in a public place whether it's that psychological gender differences exist or that gender is entirely a cultural construct so trans people don't exist.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 6

      (Simplifying there, obv) If you understand that people really see it like this, you'll understand why some see it as equivalent to insist that those people who insisted they had the right to say those hurtful things must now listen to everybody else or be hypocrites.

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        1. Raymond McCue  💗⚤ 💜⚣ 💙,  🏳️‍🌈‏ @RayMcCue Mar 6
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          Not only must you listen to them You must listen as long as one of them is talking, and thus die of sleep deprivation

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        1. Cal Metzger‏ @LackOfBelief Mar 6
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          The misconception you identify ("freedom of speech" = "indulge my every thought and expression!") reminds me of how the offended religious demand that "evidence" = "lab results!" Not easy to correct something so fundamental.

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