If people understood that it is the concept of freedom which underlies defence of freedom of expression, they could not possibly think this compatible with having no freedom to decide what you listen to.
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They don't see it as that. They see 'freedom of speech' as demanding the right to inflict views on other people which is abusive and even violent. The response 'Well, then you must listen to me as I berate & yell at you or just never go away so you know how it feels' is punitive.
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They genuinely see this as equivalent. I've seen a lot of this in the last few days but its been growing for a while & it's bewildering to others who keep saying 'Why is it so hard to understand that freedom of speech and freedom to choose which speech you listen to go together?'
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It's hard to understand if you don't realise how much the idea of discourses constructing social reality has been internalised by large segments of society - that the very existence of speech which argues for something they find abhorrent damages society and marginalised groups.
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The idea that speech you don't like could be going on but you don't have to listen to it or that you can argue with it simply isn't enough. Harm is being done by these ideas being spoken. If it can't be stopped, there must be consequences for it.
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They speak of this as though people are being bombarded, wounded by these words and ideas they don't like that are being spoken in a public place whether it's that psychological gender differences exist or that gender is entirely a cultural construct so trans people don't exist.
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(Simplifying there, obv) If you understand that people really see it like this, you'll understand why some see it as equivalent to insist that those people who insisted they had the right to say those hurtful things must now listen to everybody else or be hypocrites.
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If A wants to talk to B and B wants to listen to A, C does not get to prevent it. The end. (Of course there's more details but that's the main idea)
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Well, that's another angle of it, yes.
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As the volunteer "C" in the conversation, I just want to say, "Hear hear!"
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Many people think of the problem as one of their speech vs their not having a right to a platform, when usually the latter should be expressed as your right to attendance of an alternative platform. Thay platform could be the room next door, or home in bed.
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That's the root problem: "Why don't I (my signal) have your large and organized platform? It's not fair!"
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Do they really not understand the difference between having freedom of speech and being forced to listen to everbody, or are they just being disingenuous to pretend there is hypocrisy for virtue signalling?
Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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And common sense. And logic. And reality. (And avocados.)
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Not the avocados, that is one step too far.
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You are correct the freedom of speech is not the Freedom of being heard. You have no right to an audience. You only have the right to express yourself.
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Well, freedom of speech doesn't grant you a right to an audience. But if you *have* an audience to whom you are willing to speak and who are willing to hear you, to deny that communication is to infringe on free speech.
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Agreed but only if the speaker is willing to speak to the audience in question.
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Yes. Freedom of speech does not mean you have to talk to people you don't want to talk to. Twitter blocking is not hypocritical. (I don't do it myself, but I do mute sometimes. FoS doesn't imply having to listen, either.)
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Well I have stuck to a policy that no one is banned permanently on my feeds. I usually only block them for 7 to 30 days depending on the behavior that cause the block or mute. Usually it has to be rude behavior.
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