These are not the same thing. Some programs might be in keeping with the values of the Enlightenment and some might not.https://twitter.com/BarryLyndon34/status/970856396278378496 …
Then we're using different definitions of Enlightenment. No-one is suggesting go backwards to the lack of scientific knowledge we had in that time but simply using its approach which is the one which brought about the development of science.
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Yes, we are, which is why I wondered if the views being expressed by the crowd are more in line with someone like Nietzsche who someone like Steven Pinker singled out in his new book, a point that I agree with him about.
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What crowd?
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Also, I am in my right to question as your profile lists you as a "pragmatic Humanist" and what I am saying is that not only do I see those ideas as opposites, but also I don't see some of the views as being aligned with egalitarian Humanism.
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Then we might be using terms differently. My pragmatism does not conflict in any way with liberalism or egalitarianism. I just want to get there using methods that work rather than revolution.
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Interesting discussion. I'll let it rest there. Perhaps we just have a different understanding of Pragmatism. Because I see it, Pragmatism has more in common with Postmodernism than it does the Enlightenment or Humanism. But I digress. Goodnight.
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Yes. This is where
@Intrinsic29 and I use the word differently. I mean 'sensible, reasonable, practical, workable solutions such as I argued for here: https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ … But he uses it to mean making things work according to an ideology. Like Peterson does. Like the pomos. -
Yeah, I'm ok with both definitions but epistemic pragmatism values the utility of propositions over their actual truth value and usually entails the belief that actual truth can't be obtained.
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Maybe I'll stop using that then.
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