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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
      Replying to @ConceptualJames @GodDoesnt @HPluckrose

      No it's not James, it's not just a semantic issue, it's a real issue that has practical consequences. Introducing distinctions isn't just a philosophical parlour game. Otherwise we could say the diff between a conservative and a Nazi is just semantic.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @colwight @GodDoesnt

      This is not the same. Social constructivism can and does have different meanings. How can we deal with the madness if we don't use words being used for it? Just discussed the Damore memo which used 'social constructivism' 4 times and we addressed what was meant by that.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @colwight @GodDoesnt

      If we had insisted on acting as tho Damore was criticising what you call social constructivism, we could never have discussed what he actually was criticising - blank slatism. The conversation would have failed. The problem of enforcing blank slatism could not have been addressed

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @colwight @GodDoesnt

      I think you just have to accept that a term you use one way philosophically is used another way politically even if you really think it shouldn't be because that is the reality. The difference is semantic. We don't disagree with you about anything substantial.

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        2. Chris Colose‏ @CColose Mar 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose @colwight @GodDoesnt

          Can we agree on something like 'the phenomena of interest would behave similarly if we analyzed it in 1000000 different possible realizations of language and culture' Mars has ice on it. It would with no humans. It would regardless of what we called 'ice.' But...

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        3. Chris Colose‏ @CColose Mar 5
          Replying to @CColose @HPluckrose and

          How about "Men are taller than women on average." It is factual but the strong soc cons might say it emerged that way through maybe food distribution, or iterated culture-driven mate preferences of shorter women/taller men e.g.,https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-319-01979-6_7 …

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        4. Chris Colose‏ @CColose Mar 5
          Replying to @CColose @HPluckrose and

          This is a hypothesis. And we have to agree on a level of testability for it to be useful imo (e.g, we might see the same behavior across all cultures, primates, etc)- one could then say all of those animals have distinct 'cultures' too, and in some 'deconstructed culture'...

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        5. Chris Colose‏ @CColose Mar 5
          Replying to @CColose @HPluckrose and

          ...food distribution, mate preferences, etc. would be different such that the reverse would be true, i.e., women taller on average. This, for me, mostly becomes a separate truth claim of a new "is...then" type. But there needs to be a minimum level of testability and usefulness.

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        6. Chris Colose‏ @CColose Mar 5
          Replying to @CColose @HPluckrose and

          Beyond the low-hanging fruit of e.g., orbital mechanics, it is difficult to do much with things like "hierarchies are socially constructed." It's true by definition, but it also emerges at every level of analysis across species, time, and space, and is expressed in many traits.

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        7. Chris Colose‏ @CColose Mar 5
          Replying to @CColose @HPluckrose and

          e.g., athleticism, musical skill, etc. We can break those down socially or a Derrida-esque critique of terms? How do we view who is athletic? Why are poker pros not considered athletes? But now we're in semantics, not phenomena.

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        8. Chris Colose‏ @CColose Mar 5
          Replying to @CColose @HPluckrose and

          At least this is how I interpret soc const mainstream thought, leaving the "X type of people have unique ways of knowing" in the minority. Of course, it's not all wrong.

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