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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @SkepticalJody @amiguello1 and

      We addressed what we mean by modernism and of course, there will be disagreement. Forever. This is productive. That is not the argument. The argument is that liberalism is inherently progressive and produces positive change.

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    2. Jody Tomchishen‏ @SkepticalJody Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @amiguello1 and

      The tension in the article is between good vs bad progress. You seem to think postmodernists want progress of the bad kind, but it isn't clear in your article why it is bad. You think they are wrong about science - though, as I have said, that depends on the postmodernist.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @SkepticalJody @amiguello1 and

      Well, I don't think we can make it clearer than that. We already spent 10,000 words on the problem with postmodernism and premodernism. If you still don't see what we are saying it is and why it's bad, I certainly won't be able to explain it on Twitter.

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    4. Jody Tomchishen‏ @SkepticalJody Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @amiguello1 and

      The quantity of words doesn't matter if the quality is bad. Look, I read your article. It isn't clear to me. Take the criticism however you like, but there it is.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @SkepticalJody @amiguello1 and

      I'll have to take it that your reading comprehension is poor. It seems perfectly clear to everyone else. Some disagree with it but they don't claim we didn't mention the problems with postmodernism.

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    6. Jody Tomchishen‏ @SkepticalJody Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @amiguello1 and

      I never said you didn't mention problems with postmodernism. I am claiming that the problems you raised about postmodernism, does not adequately support the articles thesis.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @SkepticalJody @amiguello1 and

      Why don't you write something? You're being far too vague for me to respond to. It';s all 'but why is postmodernism worse than liberalism' when we set out our rationale for that in many words. Please go away now.

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @SkepticalJody and

      The problems that we raised with postmodernism are the reason we think postmodernism is bad. The benefits that we mentioned of modernism is why we think it is good & much better. I thought this was obvious but if you still don't understand, I'm just going to have to give up.

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    9. Jody Tomchishen‏ @SkepticalJody Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @amiguello1 and

      I will try one more attempt at clarification, and then I will leave you alone. At one point, in the article we are discussing, you guys mention that postmodernists "claimed to be continuing the modernity project", but the only point you raise to object to this is the following:

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    10. Jody Tomchishen‏ @SkepticalJody Mar 5
      Replying to @SkepticalJody @HPluckrose and

      "many of those structures and institutions are, in fact, products of Modernity that the majority seeks to incrementally correct and ultimately protect." I read this as, postmodernists want to radically change institutions, and that is bad because those institutions are modernist

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @SkepticalJody @amiguello1 and

      1) That's not the only point we make against postmodern views of progress. 2) That is a point, yes. Postmodernists want to radically change institutions that most people want to keep and improve. I explain this more in the first of the two essays on PoMo I sent you.

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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose @SkepticalJody and

          eg Human rights. We'd like to keep those but also improve on them. Democracy. We'd like to keep that but (in the UK anyway) make it more representative. Science. We'd like to keep that and keep improving its methods. etc.

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        2. Jody Tomchishen‏ @SkepticalJody Mar 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose @amiguello1 and

          Sure, but I am not criticizing those other points right now. I am making a specific point. They see themselves as continuing a modernist project, and you think they are really undermining it.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
          Replying to @SkepticalJody @amiguello1 and

          Yes, we'll done. Goodbye now. Have a nice day.

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