2) The actual citations used for what postmodernists think are scarce, and not very good at eliciting your concerns. If you think a group is doing something, provide a concrete example of them doing it. Otherwise, I think you are just trying to create a narrative.
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The problems that we raised with postmodernism are the reason we think postmodernism is bad. The benefits that we mentioned of modernism is why we think it is good & much better. I thought this was obvious but if you still don't understand, I'm just going to have to give up.
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I will try one more attempt at clarification, and then I will leave you alone. At one point, in the article we are discussing, you guys mention that postmodernists "claimed to be continuing the modernity project", but the only point you raise to object to this is the following:
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"many of those structures and institutions are, in fact, products of Modernity that the majority seeks to incrementally correct and ultimately protect." I read this as, postmodernists want to radically change institutions, and that is bad because those institutions are modernist
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1) That's not the only point we make against postmodern views of progress. 2) That is a point, yes. Postmodernists want to radically change institutions that most people want to keep and improve. I explain this more in the first of the two essays on PoMo I sent you.
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eg Human rights. We'd like to keep those but also improve on them. Democracy. We'd like to keep that but (in the UK anyway) make it more representative. Science. We'd like to keep that and keep improving its methods. etc.
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I was expecting a more fruitful discussion than this
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Me too. It's just 'but why?' And 'It's not clear.' I'd have to go through and tweet the whole thing point by point. I'm not going to go through and tweet the whole thing point by point.
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I think it was more than just "but why"... no one said twitter was a perfect medium for communication, but I am trying.
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Well, I have to go out now. If I have not explained things clearly enough for you in the essays I have sent you, I will not be able to. That is the best I can do.
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Seems like alot of these guys today want you to worry about individual postmodernists. That is not the point though imo... Point is some bad ideas coming from it, especially from intersectional and womens studies, are getting mainstreamed and leading to political turmoil...
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