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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Knowledge and epistemology are by definition one and the same thing. I'll send you some readings.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @colwight

      This is where we are talking about different things then. I know what epistemology is - ways of discovering knowledge. I am referring to knowledge as the thing that is to be discovered whilst you are referring to the process of knowing.

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    3. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Well if you refer to knowledge as the thing that is discovered you're in trouble. It's what I'd call the epistemic fallacy; the reduction of what is (ontology) to what is known (epistemology). What is taken as known at any point in time can always be wrong.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @colwight

      Yes, knowledge is always provisional. And there is always more to know. This is dealt with by openly acknowledging that we are limited in getting at truth.

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    5. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Exactly, so we can't ever say that our socially constructed knowledge of the world is 100% right. And what makes it possibly wrong is that it's not identical to what is. What there is would still be as it even if we had no knowledge of it. That's why knowledge isn't what is.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
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      See, we don't disagree except on the word. I'll use knowledge but accept that it is provisional and not necessarily or even probably identical to what is.

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    7. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
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      Well now we don't even disagree on the word. Now you're using knowledge as not synonymous of what is, you are acknowledging it (knowledge) is socially constructed. There's nothing to fear here. Knowledge can be socially constructed without destroying the world as it is.

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @colwight

      No, I'm not. I'm acknowledging it as provisional. We know the earth orbits the sun.This knowledge remains provisional but It was not brought into being by society. It is constructed from methods formed by society of getting at what is which will always be imperfect. Will that do?

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @colwight

      In short, I am not going round saying that established facts are socially constructed because by this, people mean that we made it up and different cultures can make it up differently and be equally right. The sun is actually a chariot containing a god.

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    10. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      You might want to revisit Wittgenstein on private language games.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @colwight

      I'm pretty sure I don't.

      6:42 AM - 5 Mar 2018
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        2. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Now therein lies both the problem and the admission of the problem. I'll leave it here.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
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          My lack of philosophy? Oh yes. I admit to that. This was rude, though. I'm sorry.https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/970670269814726657 …

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          Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
          Replying to @colwight
          What? When have I ever said that was OK? I really can't be any clearer so if you're going to insist on misunderstanding me, I'd much rather you just went away and let me carry on having conversations with people who will address what I am actually saying.
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