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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Knowledge and epistemology are by definition one and the same thing. I'll send you some readings.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @colwight

      This is where we are talking about different things then. I know what epistemology is - ways of discovering knowledge. I am referring to knowledge as the thing that is to be discovered whilst you are referring to the process of knowing.

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    3. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Well if you refer to knowledge as the thing that is discovered you're in trouble. It's what I'd call the epistemic fallacy; the reduction of what is (ontology) to what is known (epistemology). What is taken as known at any point in time can always be wrong.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @colwight

      Yes, knowledge is always provisional. And there is always more to know. This is dealt with by openly acknowledging that we are limited in getting at truth.

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    5. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Exactly, so we can't ever say that our socially constructed knowledge of the world is 100% right. And what makes it possibly wrong is that it's not identical to what is. What there is would still be as it even if we had no knowledge of it. That's why knowledge isn't what is.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @colwight

      See, we don't disagree except on the word. I'll use knowledge but accept that it is provisional and not necessarily or even probably identical to what is.

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    7. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Well now we don't even disagree on the word. Now you're using knowledge as not synonymous of what is, you are acknowledging it (knowledge) is socially constructed. There's nothing to fear here. Knowledge can be socially constructed without destroying the world as it is.

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @colwight

      No, I'm not. I'm acknowledging it as provisional. We know the earth orbits the sun.This knowledge remains provisional but It was not brought into being by society. It is constructed from methods formed by society of getting at what is which will always be imperfect. Will that do?

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @colwight

      In short, I am not going round saying that established facts are socially constructed because by this, people mean that we made it up and different cultures can make it up differently and be equally right. The sun is actually a chariot containing a god.

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    10. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Well if I want to say the sun is a chariot chasing a god, and according to your previous tweet, that's ok. Fact is you can't do that because sun, chariot, and god have social meanings not individual ones. You can't start using words anyway you want.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @colwight

      What? When have I ever said that was OK? I really can't be any clearer so if you're going to insist on misunderstanding me, I'd much rather you just went away and let me carry on having conversations with people who will address what I am actually saying.

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        2. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
          Replying to @colwight

          I'm not saying it's OK to believe wrong things with that. And that was about believing wrong things. They were using the right words. 'Chariot' meant 'chariot' not 'Big ball of gas' because they thought it was a chariot and not a big ball of gas.

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        4. (((Just a Flâneur))) [All Hallows’ #Blockchain]‏ @EnlightFundy Mar 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose @colwight

          The moon goes around the earth La lune va autour du terre Different symbols w/ different cultural contexts, but the situation they describe was true before there were humans. That's provisional but true, while "the earth goes around the moon" is false. The referent is real. >

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        5. (((Just a Flâneur))) [All Hallows’ #Blockchain]‏ @EnlightFundy Mar 5
          Replying to @EnlightFundy @HPluckrose @colwight

          Moreover dogs know things we can't, b/c they hear things we can't. No culture involved. Dogs would still know these things if humans had never evolved.

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        6. Allen Esp‏ @AllenEsp Mar 5
          Replying to @EnlightFundy @HPluckrose @colwight

          Not to mention smell, dogs have about forty times more brain mass given over to smell than we do. What must that be like?

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        7. (((Just a Flâneur))) [All Hallows’ #Blockchain]‏ @EnlightFundy Mar 5
          Replying to @AllenEsp @HPluckrose @colwight

          And yet dog farts are the absolute worst -- what's that about?

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        8. Allen Esp‏ @AllenEsp Mar 5
          Replying to @EnlightFundy @HPluckrose @colwight

          Considering their food tastes of nothing it's pretty surprising.

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        9. (((Just a Flâneur))) [All Hallows’ #Blockchain]‏ @EnlightFundy Mar 5
          Replying to @AllenEsp @HPluckrose @colwight

          Trusting you on that one, my dude.

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