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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @colwight

      The knowledge itself - the right answer to a thing eg, water is H2O - is not socially constructed. Nor is the knower - an intelligent ape. The process of obtaining this knowledge and framing of it is dependent on society & the methods it formulates for knowing & relating this.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @colwight

      This is what is at the crux of the disagreement. We all agree that the acquisition of knowledge is dependent on developments of human methods like science in society. We disagree on whether there is objective knowledge/truth/facts and whether we can get at them at all reliably.

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    3. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      No you see this is what leaves you right open to a postmodernist critique. You have to distinguish knowledge (a human product) from the world (which may be a human product (society)). But knowledge of the world is socially constructed. This means any knowledge claim could...1/

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    4. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
      Replying to @colwight @HPluckrose

      .....be wrong. You have to distinguish how we know things, from what things there are. But we can only know what things there are through our descriptions of them.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @colwight

      Absolutely. I don't disagree with that. Distinguishing how we know things from what things there are is absolutely the point. Knowledge is the product tho, not the epistemology, surely?

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    6. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      https://books.google.com.au/books/about/A_Realist_Theory_of_Science.html?id=db5nnAEACAAJ&redir_esc=y&hl=en …

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @colwight

      Right. I think we could just accept that we are using words differently but don't actually disagree?

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    8. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Well no, because you'd have to accept that what we say about words is also subject to truth criteria. So you can't just say "fascist" is someone who loves cats.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @colwight

      Huh? You could. Once you understand that 'fascist' means 'cat lover' to someone else, a perfectly coherent conversation about what it means to be a cat lover can happen. If you insist they really mean what you mean by fascist, just confusion will ensue.

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    10. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      No you couldn't. Meanings are social, not individual. That's why just calling someone a fascist because you disagree with them is wrong. Fascist, and cat lover have social meanings, and you can't just use the meaning that works for you.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @colwight

      On a broader scale, yes. For the purpose of a coherent conversation, you can exchange any word for any other word as long as both people know what is meant. Being willing to do this is often what stops a conversation stalling on definitions.

      6:03 AM - 5 Mar 2018
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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose @colwight

          For example, if someone insists that I am a feminist and I insist that I am not, the conversation can go on & on about definitions and never get to the discussion of gender equality. We can prevent this by agreeing to disagree on what a feminist is & talking about gender equality

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