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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Ketland

    I wrote about that evolution, simplification, bastardization here last month: https://areomagazine.com/2018/02/07/no-postmodernism-is-not-dead-and-other-misconceptions/ …https://twitter.com/jeffreyketland/status/970644077728419840 …

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    Do you mean Areo? If so, I read it last year. There are 2 targets you have in mind, Pomo & SocJus/IdPol. But they're different, conceptually/historically (some overlap). Pomo: small, libertine, esoteric & powerless. SocJus/IdPol: big, authoritarian, non-esoteric & powerful.
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      2. Ketland‏ @jeffreyketland Mar 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Ok, cheers. Missed that one and will have a look now.

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      3. Helen Dale‏Verified account @_HelenDale Mar 5
        Replying to @jeffreyketland @HPluckrose

        It's an excellent piece - and I say that as someone who got a side-serving of pomo with classics (it being the 90s, after all).

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      4. Ketland‏ @jeffreyketland Mar 5
        Replying to @_HelenDale @HPluckrose

        Ok, read it. Much agreement. I wrote about it in 90s and in my PhD in 1998 a bit. But I'll just reiterate the point: your target is illiberal social justice/identity politics (eg MacKinnon, CRT, Said, etc.); not so much pomo. I know pomos; they're ok. I know SJWs; they're not ok.pic.twitter.com/d5Ep0NYC0h

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      5. Helen Dale‏Verified account @_HelenDale Mar 5
        Replying to @jeffreyketland @HPluckrose

        Sometimes I get the impression putting those ideas in the hands of illiberal authoritarians is the real issue: like giving toddlers pistols.

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      6. Ketland‏ @jeffreyketland Mar 5
        Replying to @_HelenDale @HPluckrose

        I think that hits the nail on the head. In my experience, 1 Pomos are debunkers & quietists, seeing society as a disorganized, directionless mess 2 SJWs/SocJus/IdPol are ideologues & activists, who sniff "oppression" in every word & tea leaf, and want to use *force* to remove it.

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      7. Helen Dale‏Verified account @_HelenDale Mar 5
        Replying to @jeffreyketland @HPluckrose

        The moral righteousness and epistemic certainty has a quasi-religious feel to it, yes.

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      8. Ketland‏ @jeffreyketland Mar 5
        Replying to @_HelenDale @HPluckrose

        Which is absent with pomos, as well. A pomo is not going to have you garrotted, though they'll confuse you with weird stuff about non-linear fractal rhizomes, etc. A famous pomo Nick Land (whom I know) cofounded the NRx movement/Dark Enlightenment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment …

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