...with sexual orientation? Also I do think rad fems have a stake in this, even though they disagree with the biological basis of trans identity, because the trans movement is impacting women’s lives.
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I co-authored this about it:https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …
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I know, it’s very good. I was mainly making the point about the size of the trans umbrella and gender non-conformity not necessarily being rooted in objective science.
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I say that too.
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So what do you think about, eg, trans women being included on Labour's women-only shortlists. Are you in favour, and if so on what basis? I'm going to guess you probably think they shouldn't have women-only shortlists haha. But still.
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I think one justification for having AWS is to give women a chance to get into politics after having children and this doesn’t apply to trans women. Also some transwomen may have only come out in their 40s, I think they should at least have lived as a woman for half their lives.
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That sounds awfully arbitrary, but its clearly a very complex issue.
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My position is the opposite to Helen’s in this case - I feel that if we are going have AWS then they should be for women only. Or at the very minimum, the trans woman has lived as a woman for half her life, otherwise they will be huge resentment.
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I don't have any figures on this to hand but I strongly suspect that there is more discrimination in employment against trans women than cis women. I'd find it hard to resent their inclusion in schemes to help people find influential jobs.
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I would imagine so too, but I still don’t think someone who has transitioned in their 40s after living life fully as a man, should get to self ID as a woman and take a position from an AWS. That seems awfully unfair.
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Maybe so. I'd prioritise that person, tho probably. Already so much of life lived being true to oneself gone.
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Ok we shall agree to disagree
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