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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ByDogHazDohDoze @cultofdusty

      I’d slightly disagree with you here, because the trans umbrella is now a large collection of various trans and gender non-conforming people, and for some of whom it’s a political identity rather than based on a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. Also don’t those scans correlate...

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    2. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz Mar 5
      Replying to @lizlozlizloz @HPluckrose and

      ...with sexual orientation? Also I do think rad fems have a stake in this, even though they disagree with the biological basis of trans identity, because the trans movement is impacting women’s lives.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @lizlozlizloz @ByDogHazDohDoze @cultofdusty

      I co-authored this about it:https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …

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    4. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ByDogHazDohDoze @cultofdusty

      I know, it’s very good. I was mainly making the point about the size of the trans umbrella and gender non-conformity not necessarily being rooted in objective science.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @lizlozlizloz @ByDogHazDohDoze @cultofdusty

      I say that too.

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    6. ↑ I'm with Stupid ↓‏ @ByDogHazDohDoze Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cultofdusty

      So what do you think about, eg, trans women being included on Labour's women-only shortlists. Are you in favour, and if so on what basis? I'm going to guess you probably think they shouldn't have women-only shortlists haha. But still.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @ByDogHazDohDoze @cultofdusty

      I do think they shouldn't have women-only shortlists but if they are going to have them, they should definitely include trans women. If cis women are still discriminated against (I'm not at all sure we are), it's way less than trans women are.

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    8. ↑ I'm with Stupid ↓‏ @ByDogHazDohDoze Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cultofdusty

      On what basis would you say theyre women. A lot of it seems like just politeness in accepting their self-definitions to me - no? I know the answer's prob in the article, which I will read later, I promise. btw I'm making no conviction-based claims - Im all Qs and few As on this.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @ByDogHazDohDoze @cultofdusty

      I'm not bothering with definitions of woman. That only bogs the conversation down. I don't think its just reproductive systems nor do I think self-identification is reliable. Do read article.

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    10. ↑ I'm with Stupid ↓‏ @ByDogHazDohDoze Mar 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cultofdusty

      I will - I'm sure I'll learn a lot as always. I'm puzzled though, because I'm not clear whether your argument for trans women as women is science-based, political (ie you accept their definitions), or a combination, or something else. I'll read the article. 😀

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
      Replying to @ByDogHazDohDoze @cultofdusty

      I don't argue for trans women being women. This is beside the point and conversation stalls on it all the time. It entirely depends on how you define 'woman' and, however you do, there is biological basis to trans identity & a liberal imperative to let people be themselves.

      4:23 AM - 5 Mar 2018
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        1. ↑ I'm with Stupid ↓‏ @ByDogHazDohDoze Mar 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose @cultofdusty

          I think that's very sensible. Identity politics was always going to lead to this but, well, we're locked into it now and the zealots want blood. I think the answer, once again, is to just throw my hands up and despair. Oh, the humanity. Have a good day. 👍🏻

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