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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted (((Colin Wight)))

    If you mean simply that humans put it together, yes. Humans gathered together the information to construct a strong case for the earth orbiting the sun. The fact that it does is not a construct of humans tho. It did that long before we existed.https://twitter.com/colwight/status/970609479807987712 …

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    (((Colin Wight))) @colwight
    Replying to @arwen_king @HPluckrose
    All knowledge is socially constructed. It's a human product, so how else?
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      2. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Yes, but that's the difference between how we construct knowledge claims and what those claims are about.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
        Replying to @colwight

        Yes. The collecting of the knowledge and the knowledge itself.

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      4. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        But even the knowledge itself is socially constructed. If there were no humans they'd be no knowledge.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
        Replying to @colwight

        In the sense that there wouldn't be anyone to know it, yes. There'd be no knowers. , no possessors of knowledge. This is a semantic thing. When we say we seek knowledge, it is not humans knowing things that we seek but the right answer to a thing.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose @colwight

        The knowledge itself - the right answer to a thing eg, water is H2O - is not socially constructed. Nor is the knower - an intelligent ape. The process of obtaining this knowledge and framing of it is dependent on society & the methods it formulates for knowing & relating this.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose @colwight

        This is what is at the crux of the disagreement. We all agree that the acquisition of knowledge is dependent on developments of human methods like science in society. We disagree on whether there is objective knowledge/truth/facts and whether we can get at them at all reliably.

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      8. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        No you see this is what leaves you right open to a postmodernist critique. You have to distinguish knowledge (a human product) from the world (which may be a human product (society)). But knowledge of the world is socially constructed. This means any knowledge claim could...1/

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      9. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Mar 5
        Replying to @colwight @HPluckrose

        .....be wrong. You have to distinguish how we know things, from what things there are. But we can only know what things there are through our descriptions of them.

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      2. Helen Wilson‏ @premodernism Mar 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It's not though. If you didn't know anyone to socialize with you could still generate knowledge. You could still experiment and determine things about reality.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
        Replying to @premodernism

        Please tell him that. He is driving me mad with point missing. It;s a philosopher thing and it doesn't relate to the reality of the epistemological problem we are currently dealing with.

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      4. Helen Wilson‏ @premodernism Mar 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think u started it tho :)

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      1. CLB‏ @CBLK08 Mar 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        And *that* acceptance, that objective reality is the deciding factor in wether a tree-fall in a human-absent woods still creates a vibration that beings with the capacity to "hear" would hear, is what separates rational from irrational reasoning.

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      1. Intersectional Snark Web‏ @Sexismisme Mar 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        This is the most concise explanation I’ve seen of this philosophical confusion that bedevils postmodernism. The notion of human construction of knowledge is perfectly valid, but it doesn’t nullify an underlying reality. Thank you.

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      1. Cartopher‏ @are0pag1t1ca Mar 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        God. I admire you hard work and persistence in dealing with this shit. I don't how you do it.

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      1. Sonja Kodric‏ @sonjaKR Mar 5
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      2. Niels H. Pedersen‏ @NhpHede Mar 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Is logic a human construct? I don't think so. Logic is math. An alien civilization would have discovered and systematized it along the same lines. Is information a human construct? The information I have tells me no.

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      1. Special Snowflake‏ @zedverism211 Mar 5
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        Social construction is boring. It's vapid. Not as clever as people think it is.

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