OK. I haven't looked into the evidence for that. I just saw him being discriminated against for saying that gender differences exist. Do you think its a false claim?
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It’s been through the system and deemed rightful termination. As an insider in this industry, I can personally testify to cases that are way worse but we cannot do anything due to state laws.pic.twitter.com/mnp9Sd2PQI
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Replying to @Claire_Voltaire @HPluckrose and
I would personally say yes it is. I managed a small tech company and I’d hate to be in this situation and I would probably think this would be settled differently without the publicity. He shouldn’t be blacklisted but yeah he was rightfully terminated.
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Why?
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He created a hostile work environment. I believe this part of the memo is the part that was deemed most damaging: “women tend to be more social, more artistic, and more prone to neuroticism (higher anxiety, lower stress tolerance).” It’s not a scientific consensus and the 1/2
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Oh, for goodness sake. I'll have to disagree with you very strongly here. See the metastudies on this. We must be able to bring biological differences in. Women are not damaged by being presented with biological facts and its demeaning to suggest we are. (I still adore you too)
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I’d be more than happy to see proof of scientific consensus that women are far more neurotic than men.
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Replying to @Claire_Voltaire @HPluckrose and
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2031866/ … I think Damore has said that one thing he would have done differently if he had to write the memo again is not use the word "neuroticism," bc in everyday speech it has a negative/judgmental connotation that it doesn't in scientific terminology.
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Replying to @CathyYoung63 @HPluckrose and
The language doesn’t bother me. I don’t believe it’s backed by scientific consensus. From what I’ve seen this wouldn’t be a strong argument.
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This is absolutely the scientific consensus. Women score much higher than men on neuroticism on average, which is also why we are more likely to suffer from anxiety disorders and depression.http://psycnet.apa.org/record/2007-19165-013 …
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Also almost certainly why we show up less in Darwin awards. There is a reason it has benefitted women to be more cautious, more worried about things, more thoughtful, more risk-averse.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @salonium and
You do understand though that telling this to women who are absolutely outside the norm and your average curve is useless. Pegging it as a biological determinator when the studies (btw-questionnaire leaning on honesty of respondent), vary across cultures awa # of wmn in tech.
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Replying to @Claire_Voltaire @HPluckrose and
Sex differences in neuroticism are large and found cross culturally. They are even larger in developed countries. If you read the memo you will see he was being quite cautious in his interpretation of the results and what he thought their implications were.
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