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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Claire Voltaire‏ @Claire_Voltaire Mar 4
      Replying to @HPluckrose @VodoSiosk_Baas @cultofdusty

      Helen you know I adore you but Damore is suing for being discriminated against as a white conservatives man. That’s literally his lawsuit claim. California is an at will state and this cannot be ignored.

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 4
      Replying to @Claire_Voltaire @VodoSiosk_Baas @cultofdusty

      OK. I haven't looked into the evidence for that. I just saw him being discriminated against for saying that gender differences exist. Do you think its a false claim?

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    3. Claire Voltaire‏ @Claire_Voltaire Mar 4
      Replying to @HPluckrose @VodoSiosk_Baas @cultofdusty

      It’s been through the system and deemed rightful termination. As an insider in this industry, I can personally testify to cases that are way worse but we cannot do anything due to state laws.pic.twitter.com/mnp9Sd2PQI

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    4. Claire Voltaire‏ @Claire_Voltaire Mar 4
      Replying to @Claire_Voltaire @HPluckrose and

      I would personally say yes it is. I managed a small tech company and I’d hate to be in this situation and I would probably think this would be settled differently without the publicity. He shouldn’t be blacklisted but yeah he was rightfully terminated.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 4
      Replying to @Claire_Voltaire @VodoSiosk_Baas @cultofdusty

      Why?

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    6. Claire Voltaire‏ @Claire_Voltaire Mar 4
      Replying to @HPluckrose @VodoSiosk_Baas @cultofdusty

      He created a hostile work environment. I believe this part of the memo is the part that was deemed most damaging: “women tend to be more social, more artistic, and more prone to neuroticism (higher anxiety, lower stress tolerance).” It’s not a scientific consensus and the 1/2

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 4
      Replying to @Claire_Voltaire @VodoSiosk_Baas @cultofdusty

      Oh, for goodness sake. I'll have to disagree with you very strongly here. See the metastudies on this. We must be able to bring biological differences in. Women are not damaged by being presented with biological facts and its demeaning to suggest we are. (I still adore you too)

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    8. Claire Voltaire‏ @Claire_Voltaire Mar 4
      Replying to @HPluckrose @VodoSiosk_Baas @cultofdusty

      I’d be more than happy to see proof of scientific consensus that women are far more neurotic than men.

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    9. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 Mar 4
      Replying to @Claire_Voltaire @HPluckrose and

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2031866/ … I think Damore has said that one thing he would have done differently if he had to write the memo again is not use the word "neuroticism," bc in everyday speech it has a negative/judgmental connotation that it doesn't in scientific terminology.

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    10. Claire Voltaire‏ @Claire_Voltaire Mar 4
      Replying to @CathyYoung63 @HPluckrose and

      The language doesn’t bother me. I don’t believe it’s backed by scientific consensus. From what I’ve seen this wouldn’t be a strong argument.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 4
      Replying to @Claire_Voltaire @CathyYoung63 and

      It is tho. Replicated over and over again. Women consistently report feeling more anxiety and stress than men. They're probably not lying about this.

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        2. Claire Voltaire‏ @Claire_Voltaire Mar 4
          Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 and

          Is it biological? How are these studies conducted and does social environment play any role?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 4
          Replying to @Claire_Voltaire @CathyYoung63 and

          You've been sent many of them. Have a read and see. But even if you continue to believe cognitive and psychological gender differences not to exist, surely you can agree that those of us who think they do should be able to join conversation without firing?

          4 replies 2 retweets 21 likes
        4. Carol (call me Cal) Young‏ @annap442 Mar 4
          Replying to @HPluckrose @M_Methuselah and

          3. Wrongful termination is a different issue and subject to laws and precedent. Companies write employee codes of conduct expressly to defend their business model and hire/fire in their best biz interest. Very dangerous to take that away.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
          Replying to @annap442 @M_Methuselah and

          Different issue. I am interested in culture and how it makes certain values & beliefs within business' best interests to mandate. eg when my mother wrote memos saying women should be able to take accountancy exams, this was very much against the bank's code of conduct & values.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose @annap442 and

          I am less interested in the legal right of businesses to enforce certain views, whether its that women should stay in the secretarial pool or men & women are psychologically identical, than in the cultural norms which make this a dominant view, dissent from which must be punished

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        1.  ❌super maga Doge  🐶 ❌‏ @Doge_Covfefe Mar 4
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Claire_Voltaire and

          That only proves women are more vocal about their stress. Men tend to hide their emotions if those emotions could make them look weak. That doesn't mean men are less neurotic. But nice try 🙃

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