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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Randy McGregor

      Yes, the claim that mass murder is only inspired by religion is demonstrably false. It can be inspired by all sorts of ideologies and by a simple wish for power, dominion, resources = greed.https://twitter.com/Ramcgreg/status/970088312814886914 …

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      Randy McGregor @Ramcgreg
      Replying to @HPluckrose
      Blaming atheism may be wrong, but the shockingly high capacity for murder of self-consciously atheistic regimes gives the lie to the claim that mass murder is caused by religion.
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    2. Randy McGregor‏ @Ramcgreg Mar 4
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      The sheer number racked up by the atheists does require an explanation though. Maybe a wicked combination of the zeolotry of a new creed and modern technology.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 4
      Replying to @Ramcgreg

      Huh? Atheists are more likely? I don't think so. Hard to tell tho. Throughout history, nearly every violent regime has been religious but throughout history, nearly every person has been.

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    4. Randy McGregor‏ @Ramcgreg Mar 4
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      The number of people killed by explicitly atheistic regimes in a relatively short period of time is simply astonishing - hard to pinpoint, plausible estimates in the high dozens of millions.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 4
      Replying to @Ramcgreg

      Not so much. See Pinker on this. The scale of the first half of the 20th century violence certainly took a rise but was still lower than the wars of religion & with the second half of the 20th C, the whole century is still more peaceful.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 4
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Ramcgreg

      I think we have to be careful about calling communist dictatorships 'atheistic' & blaming atheism for them. Every violent dynasty & colonising force in history prior to this was religious but religion was not usually the cause of their violence.

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    7. Randy McGregor‏ @Ramcgreg Mar 4
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I too think we should be careful. Atheism clearly doesn't perform as advertised when it comes to reducing violence. Of academic interest is to what extent it may (if at all) contribute. I'm an atheist. Not trying to score points, BTW.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 4
      Replying to @Ramcgreg

      Atheism really shouldn't have any positive effects attributed to it. It's a negative. We don't have anything in common. People are inspired by things they do believe in. Find me a secular humanist regime which has committed atrocities.

      9:18 AM - 4 Mar 2018
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        1. Helen Dale‏Verified account @_HelenDale Mar 4
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Ramcgreg

          The closest would probably be France during the Terror: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror …

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        2. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone Mar 4
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Ramcgreg

          If you include atrocities abroad, then, historically, the US would have to be in the frame.

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        3. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone Mar 4
          Replying to @Friedmanzone @HPluckrose @Ramcgreg

          Though I think it was probably restrained to some extent, in each case. by the secular-humanist impulses that e.g. Russia clearly feels no obligation to. But when you look at some of what happened in C. America in the 80s, it's hard to make that argument.

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        1. Randy McGregor‏ @Ramcgreg Mar 4
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Sounds like something from a book I read recently, which was somewhat persuasive. Good point re: (voluntarily) secularizing Europe.

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