Hmmm. Can't agree with this. People very rarely kill or die for things they don't believe in. Much evidence they can and have killed and died for harmful ideologies that are atheist or secular tho.https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/970080084773212163 …
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Explain why Devin Patrick Kelley shot up a church. I can't speak to other cultures or times, but modern American atheism comes with a deep, dark, nasty form of hate.
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Replying to @jeff_techentin
Don't know. But it's probably not because he didn't believe in God. Because he hated religion?
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Replying to @jeff_techentin @ComradeSnake
Most atheists and theists are also agnostic because they don't claim to know God to exist or not. They just disbelieve or believe.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @ComradeSnake
Not sure I even understand your terms. No theist "knows" God to exist in any sense beyond confidence in one's faith and I suppose atheists, with some sodium pentathol, would allow for the possibility of the existence of God. So are the terms theist and atheist meaningless?
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Replying to @jeff_techentin @ComradeSnake
Most atheists openly admit to a lack of knowledge, yes. Gnosticism is knowledge. Agnosticism is lack of knowledge. Theism is belief. Atheism is lack of belief. I am agnostic atheist - I do not know that God does not exist but I do not believe in a god.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @ComradeSnake
Lol, gnosis is not simply "knowledge." Again, no one (rationally) claims to "know" God as one knows the location of the Post Office.
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It refers to knowledge - that is what the word means in Greek. But there is little point in arguing about semantics. Better to just say what we mean. When I say 'atheist', I am talking about people who don't have any god-beliefs. Nearly everyone I know coz England.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @ComradeSnake
Btw that's my point on gnosis. We treat agnosticism as though it simply means "hey I can't figure it out," but the right word in Greek for that would be episteme.
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