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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. OA’s court appointed Judge Paul-oot-the Planet‏ @AtheistAdrian Mar 2
      Replying to @HPluckrose @xriskology and

      Where?? Where is this?? Stop just writing and point to instances of this. 1000+ tweets later and you keep repeating this. The best answer is “refer to your twitter feed.” K, thats what you want to get upset, but deafly silent on Krauss right? K, love the burden shifting,awesome

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 2
      Replying to @AtheistAdrian @xriskology and

      I don't know anything about Krauss. It's not hard.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. cheomit‏ @cheomit Mar 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose @AtheistAdrian and

      Doesn't it seem at all a problem that you appear to be using different standards of evidence here? You *believed* (and acted on) things about Phil based on what others told you; but you don't *know* about Krauss (despite at least equivalent evidence), so you withhold *belief*?

      4 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
      Replying to @cheomit

      No, I'm talking about Phil's email& social media history which are clearly visible to everyone. There's no suggestion someone else did this to set him up. He owns it. He just sees it as OK. Equivalent if Krauss admitted to forcing himself on women but didn't see it as wrong.

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    5. cheomit‏ @cheomit Mar 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      cheomit Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

      That may be true now, sure. Again - I know nothing and this thing seems off (given it, I'm inclined to accept possibility of bad behaviour I can't see). But here (https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/969624985714216962?s=20 …), it sounds like you accepted the accusation of harassment (a crime) on testimony.

      cheomit added,

      Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
      Replying to @HPluckrose @xriskology and 3 others
      You yourself have admitted to be blocked by various people and from certain forums and called them snowflakes for not wanting to talk to you and then posted evidence of yourself threatening to go & sit in the front row of their workplace for two weeks.
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    6. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 Mar 3
      Replying to @cheomit @HPluckrose

      She's accepting his own admission of harassment, no?

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
      Replying to @CathyYoung63 @cheomit

      The disagreement is whether it counts as harassment or not. I don't know if it can be prosecuted in the US. My daughter successfully prosecuted someone who persistently stalked her online & turned up at her work despite her being very clear this was unwanted & frightening.

      3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 @cheomit

      But prosecutable or not, is it reasonable to call a persistent attempt to contact someone who has asked you to stop, blocked you, sought legal protection & threatened to call the police which went on for months & included threats to sit in front row of class 'harassment?' Yes.

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 @cheomit

      I think this would be immediately clear if the target was a woman. I remember Sargon getting accused of harassment for going to one of Sarkeesian's talks after having been very critical of her online. I don't think that counts as harassment, myself, but this certainly does.

      3 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    10. Dorian‏ @dorianleakey Mar 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 @cheomit

      I think Sargon has the sort of fans that go after people image witch hunty fashion, so that may be the difference. But it seems a bit like one group wants to call people snowflake but find clever and interesting ways to avoid criticism themselves.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
      Replying to @dorianleakey @CathyYoung63 @cheomit

      Quite possibly but Phil is also in witchhunty circles. We can be against witch hunting consistently Depends what we mean by 'snowflake'. This is less about accepting criticism & more about trying to prohibit certain speech, particularly in universities, because words do harm.

      3:53 PM - 3 Mar 2018
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        2. Dorian‏ @dorianleakey Mar 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 @cheomit

          I will put it another way, I feel people find ways to make things that are very similar seem dissimilar and I think that's happening here. But you know more of the detail of this, but from the outside, this snapshot looks pretty bad.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
          Replying to @dorianleakey @CathyYoung63 @cheomit

          Could you be a bit more specific? I still don't know what you mean?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Dorian‏ @dorianleakey Mar 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 @cheomit

          Perhaps PT got sensible responses when he first tried to criticise and that's why these repeated attempts to engage by him are seen as stalking, maybe they are as extreme as you say. But just from this snapshot it looks like they want an excuse not to respond and engage.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
          Replying to @dorianleakey @CathyYoung63 @cheomit

          I think this is good enough reason not to respond & engage but I also think you don't need one. Shld just be able to ask people to stop contacting you & they respect this. I've been dealing with someone like this for 18 months now. I don't need to justify wanting to be left alone

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @dorianleakey and

          He might be a lovely bloke. He might be right that God exists & that I must understand this. I still don't have to hear him. I've blocked him everywhere, gotten legal advice, ignored online obsessing & if he threatens to turn up at my workplace, I will call the police.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @dorianleakey and

          There is no problem with PT being very critical of penis hoax & writing abt this. Or being very critical of new atheism & writing abt this. The problem is trying to force individuals to hear it when they've made it clear they want him to leave them alone.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @dorianleakey and

          You don't need to understand why one person would want another to leave them alone. You just need to accept that they have the right to decline contact with them & call the police if they ignore this & turn up at their workplace. My daughter prosecuted someone for this.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @dorianleakey and

          If you want to understand why, look at PT's timeline for obsessive & deranged ranting about various people. He has the right to do this but can't blame them for avoiding him & being afraid when he threatens to turn up at their work. This is not normal. It is not OK.

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