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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. cheomit‏ @cheomit Mar 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63

      Sure, your replies have made that clear, but my questions is, was it available since you *first* took the accusations seriously? If yes, my *entire* concern dies on the spot.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
      Replying to @cheomit @CathyYoung63

      No, it wasn't. When people I trusted messaged me to warn me against talking to Phil because he did this, I took their warnings seriously because of my knowledge of them as honest people but I did not have evidence they were true and so did not claim to know this.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomit @CathyYoung63

      I saw it very soon afterwards in relation to three people. You are confusing believing things from credible people with knowing them to be true, claiming them to be true & expecting society to regard them as true.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomit @CathyYoung63

      One of my friends told me she had been raped. I believed her because I know her to be mentally well & honest. I saw the fallout of it for her emotionally. I supported her. I wanted the rapist dead. There wasn't sufficient evidence to prosecute & I fantasised abt killing him.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cheomit @CathyYoung63

      I understood on a visceral level then why some people get so passionate about always believing the victim. She did herself for a while. It remains necessary to require evidence & due process to claim something to be true, Because personal conviction of truth is not enough

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    6. cheomit‏ @cheomit Mar 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63

      100% agree. I've had a similar experience. But that's why I wouldn't say most claims against Krauss (or Phil, from my end) *are* true; they're just credible enough to deserve taking quite seriously.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
      Replying to @cheomit @CathyYoung63

      Well, I don't know what to say to you then. He posted the email and admitted to having written it and to knowing that Peter did not want any contact with him. He defended doing so. I don't see any grounds for claiming this has not been established to be true.

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    8. cheomit‏ @cheomit Mar 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63

      No, that part is clear. I mean, I lack all the earlier, more detailed (perhaps even more damning) evidence that you've pointed to in support of your criticisms of him. Sorry for being unclear.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
      Replying to @cheomit @CathyYoung63

      You're still being unclear and I think I am going to leave it here. I have not asked anyone to believe anything for which there is not evidence in the form of Phil's own posts and admissions.

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    10. cheomit‏ @cheomit Mar 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63

      No, you explicitly said not to believe - apologies if I implied otherwise. I was trying to make a different point (that you pointed to hidden evidence to support your public criticism). But fair enough, and I should go too. Thanks for the very interesting discussion.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Mar 3
      Replying to @cheomit @CathyYoung63

      I did. I spoke of things that I know and that Phil knows when talking to Phil that is not visible to anyone else watching the conversation. Therefore they should not consider themselves to know it.

      1:28 PM - 3 Mar 2018
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