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But prosecutable or not, is it reasonable to call a persistent attempt to contact someone who has asked you to stop, blocked you, sought legal protection & threatened to call the police which went on for months & included threats to sit in front row of class 'harassment?' Yes.
I think this would be immediately clear if the target was a woman. I remember Sargon getting accused of harassment for going to one of Sarkeesian's talks after having been very critical of her online. I don't think that counts as harassment, myself, but this certainly does.
I think Sargon has the sort of fans that go after people image witch hunty fashion, so that may be the difference. But it seems a bit like one group wants to call people snowflake but find clever and interesting ways to avoid criticism themselves.
Quite possibly but Phil is also in witchhunty circles. We can be against witch hunting consistently Depends what we mean by 'snowflake'. This is less about accepting criticism & more about trying to prohibit certain speech, particularly in universities, because words do harm.
I will put it another way, I feel people find ways to make things that are very similar seem dissimilar and I think that's happening here. But you know more of the detail of this, but from the outside, this snapshot looks pretty bad.
Could you be a bit more specific? I still don't know what you mean?
Perhaps PT got sensible responses when he first tried to criticise and that's why these repeated attempts to engage by him are seen as stalking, maybe they are as extreme as you say. But just from this snapshot it looks like they want an excuse not to respond and engage.
I think this is good enough reason not to respond & engage but I also think you don't need one. Shld just be able to ask people to stop contacting you & they respect this. I've been dealing with someone like this for 18 months now. I don't need to justify wanting to be left alone
Again - I'm not defending Phil. I dislike what I saw there. It may not rise to illegal, but still seems like there's more going on; and he's certainly said this isn't the first exchange. I was only considering your (much?) earlier response to accusations he's dicey to engage.
I don't understand the last sentence.
Apologies - it seemed like you took earlier accusations (possibly quite a while back) seriously before any hard evidence was necessarily available to you. Again, my interpretation, please correct me if I'm wrong (because my whole inquiry rests on it).
Hard evidence has been available to me for some time. I have not been at liberty to talk about it. What I responded to publicly was what Phil himself admitted to.
Sure, your replies have made that clear, but my questions is, was it available since you *first* took the accusations seriously? If yes, my *entire* concern dies on the spot.
No, it wasn't. When people I trusted messaged me to warn me against talking to Phil because he did this, I took their warnings seriously because of my knowledge of them as honest people but I did not have evidence they were true and so did not claim to know this.
I saw it very soon afterwards in relation to three people. You are confusing believing things from credible people with knowing them to be true, claiming them to be true & expecting society to regard them as true.
One of my friends told me she had been raped. I believed her because I know her to be mentally well & honest. I saw the fallout of it for her emotionally. I supported her. I wanted the rapist dead. There wasn't sufficient evidence to prosecute & I fantasised abt killing him.
He's not denying it. He posted the email saying he was doing it himself and laughed about the fear response - come near me & I will call the police. He defends this. I'm muting you as you are clearly both rude and unreasonable.
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