What does this even mean? What is 'deep connection' between human beings if it's not close friendship & intellectual connection but unique to sex? Penis or vagina length?https://twitter.com/DM_Berger/status/967959360222539776 …
-
-
Replying to @HPluckrose
"Because I conceive of sex solely as flesh intersection, I have to mock anyone who thinks about sex as anything more as thinking about sex solely in terms of penises and vaginas"
1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @DM_Berger @HPluckrose
that's a really weird way to parse what Helen says.
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
DM Berger Retweeted DM Berger
I've interacted with you before, and I know you care about intellectual honesty to a degree, so you need to see the original context here. My main disagreement is with the idea that 'people who think "sex is necessary for real depth"' are shallow https://twitter.com/DM_Berger/status/967556940309000192 ….
DM Berger added,
DM Berger @DM_BergerReplying to @HPluckroseThere's a semantic issue here. For many, especially males, "deeply connect" and "love" *by definition* mean an intensity that really *does* require the romantic and/or sexual element. Without those, the connection cannot be "nearly as deep". I.e. they'd say your standards for a >2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
She doesnt seem to be saying there isnt a unique depth that comes with sex, but rather there can be a depth in emotion without it. Its not a competing set, but rather just different ones. Why quibble about where the "real" depth is if you're lucky enough to experience either?
1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes -
DM Berger Retweeted Helen Pluckrose
Because in the original tweet (https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/967553894451642368 …), she mocked people who think sex makes for a truly deep connection as "lack[ing] emotion depth". I think this attitude is false, and pernicious for those for whom sex is not so trivial.
DM Berger added,
Helen Pluckrose @HPluckroseHere's a thing that really annoys me re gender relations. People who have trouble comprehending that heterosexual people of one sex can deeply connect & even love people of the other sex without there being any romantic/sexual element. They seriously lack emotional depth.Show this thread3 replies 1 retweet 0 likes -
My reading of that tweet is that she's looking down on those who think you can't have depth *without* sex, not for those who find depth in a sexual+ relationship
1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
But that "looking down" is unwarranted smugness, and based on a false assumption about what one really counts as "true depth" or "love". Yes, there can be *some* depth in non-sexual relationships. But to count as "love" or "deep connection", some require more than "some depth".
1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
You'll survive. I hope you get over it and learn to love and connect deeply with people you are not fucking.
Loading seems to be taking a while.
Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.