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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 25

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted DM Berger

      What does this even mean? What is 'deep connection' between human beings if it's not close friendship & intellectual connection but unique to sex? Penis or vagina length?https://twitter.com/DM_Berger/status/967959360222539776 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      DM Berger @DM_Berger
      Replying to @ViktoryusWykrum @HPluckrose
      "I am so deeply insecure and terrified of aloneness and the complicated realities of human connection that I need to frame everyday things like 'close friendship' and 'deep intellectual connection' as as deep as what normal people mean by things like 'love' and 'deep connection'"
      3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    2. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger Feb 25
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      "Because I conceive of sex solely as flesh intersection, I have to mock anyone who thinks about sex as anything more as thinking about sex solely in terms of penises and vaginas"

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra Feb 25
      Replying to @DM_Berger @HPluckrose

      that's a really weird way to parse what Helen says.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger Feb 25
      Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi @HPluckrose

      DM Berger Retweeted DM Berger

      I've interacted with you before, and I know you care about intellectual honesty to a degree, so you need to see the original context here. My main disagreement is with the idea that 'people who think "sex is necessary for real depth"' are shallow https://twitter.com/DM_Berger/status/967556940309000192 ….

      DM Berger added,

      DM Berger @DM_Berger
      Replying to @HPluckrose
      There's a semantic issue here. For many, especially males, "deeply connect" and "love" *by definition* mean an intensity that really *does* require the romantic and/or sexual element. Without those, the connection cannot be "nearly as deep". I.e. they'd say your standards for a >
      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Raymond McCue  💗⚤ 💜⚣ 💙,  🏳️‍🌈‏ @RayMcCue Feb 25
      Replying to @DM_Berger @0knaomi @HPluckrose

      She doesnt seem to be saying there isnt a unique depth that comes with sex, but rather there can be a depth in emotion without it. Its not a competing set, but rather just different ones. Why quibble about where the "real" depth is if you're lucky enough to experience either?

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger Feb 25
      Replying to @RayMcCue @0knaomi @HPluckrose

      DM Berger Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

      Because in the original tweet (https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/967553894451642368 …), she mocked people who think sex makes for a truly deep connection as "lack[ing] emotion depth". I think this attitude is false, and pernicious for those for whom sex is not so trivial.

      DM Berger added,

      Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
      Here's a thing that really annoys me re gender relations. People who have trouble comprehending that heterosexual people of one sex can deeply connect & even love people of the other sex without there being any romantic/sexual element. They seriously lack emotional depth.
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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 25
      Replying to @DM_Berger @RayMcCue @0knaomi

      That isn't what it says, is it?

      7:41 PM - 25 Feb 2018
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        2. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger Feb 25
          Replying to @HPluckrose @RayMcCue @0knaomi

          It says that you don't have much requirements for what counts for people to "deeply connect", and that anyone who thinks sex is such a requirement (i.e. has stricter standards) is shallow. Not everyone needs to see such connections as "deep connections".

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra Feb 25
          Replying to @DM_Berger @HPluckrose @RayMcCue

          It's like a weird inversion of "tradmarriage / muh developed relationship" stuff (which usually operate on a variant of "a deep connection is necessary to justify having sex")

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra Feb 25
          Replying to @0K_ultra @DM_Berger and

          (which is like, whatever rocks your boat, man)

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger Feb 25
          Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi and

          See, like, I'm totally cool with this kind of dismissal. Not smug, not "I'm more complex", just "lol you're weird dude".

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Raymond McCue  💗⚤ 💜⚣ 💙,  🏳️‍🌈‏ @RayMcCue Feb 25
          Replying to @DM_Berger @0knaomi @HPluckrose

          Dunno if this is helpful/analogpus, but there are weird virignity politics because lesbians dont include penetration, but men tend to The resolution I figured out is that losing your virginity involves whatever an individual sees as the ultimate espression of their sexuality.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger Feb 25
          Replying to @RayMcCue @0knaomi @HPluckrose

          That's probably a good example of something that is analogously tricky. Just like people disagree on what really counts as "deep" or "love", they can disagree what really counts as "sex" (penetration or otherwise).

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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